rglullis @ rglullis @communick.news

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Replace "hashing" with "encrypted" (perhaps just using a symmetric key that the admin sets up) and then it gets impossible to know for any outsiders who is the real user behind the vote.

I for one just wish people understood once and for all that anything you do on social media is public.

If you are not comfortable backing up your opinion or action, then don't do it.

How long until it gets abused, and trolls start brigading though instances that hide their votes?

Sure, I know it exists. It is somewhat stale in content, though.

there are no bots posting to !emacs@communick.news and the selfhosted.forum/gearhead.town/metacritics.zone communities since at least November of last year. Could that restriction be lifted?

Specific to emacs: maybe it would be better to outright move the community to programming.dev?

The ones I'd be definitely interested about adding:

• basketball reporters to !nba@nba.space and each team to their corresponding team (e.g, @celtics@sportsbots.xyz to !celtics@nba.space)
• NFL reporters to !nfl@nfl.community and each team to their corresponding team (e.g, @patriots@sportsbots.xyz to !patriots@nfl.community)
• Football (soccer) reporters to !main@soccer.forum and their teams.
• Baseball to !baseball@fanaticus.social (if the admin allows)
• Tennis players and reporters to !tennis@matchpoint.zone

My suggestions were to organize with the sports comms (collaborate to make sure it works for them), or potentially create a dedicated comm for all the mirrored stuff. I think picking and choosing what to mirror would also be a great idea.

All of that was done already when I was mirroring the alien.top accounts, and people still complained, and we were here spending a good hour arguing over that whether their complaints are legitimate or not.

"don't mirror all the posts, but only those that have a threshold of interest" is a compromise.

"Don't post to communities unless the admins/moderators gave strict permission" is a compromise.

"Don't post at all, because some people want to be able to drink from the firehouse and not filter the content themselves" is not a compromise, it is a mandate.

If what you personally wanna do makes half the site unhappy (...)

You are looking at half of the people on the site (~25k) What about the the other 99.96% (75 million) of people still on Reddit who won't leave because Reddit has kept a choke-hold on the communities and monopolized the content?

You are treating this as a static system. There are second-order effects.

but I’m not getting the impression you’re able to empathize with anyone else’s perspective.

I don’t get the impression you care what my perspective,

It's not a matter of caring/not caring. It's about accepting that this is an issue with conflicting interests. I am asking about how we can do this in a way that minimizes these conflicts while increasing/keep the upside (for the many) and minimizing the downside (for the few), but you are appealing to thought-terminating accusations ("you are not showing empathy") instead of looking for a compromise that can make everyone happy.

I could argue that there l was never a time when r/all was free from filters, but I there is another conversation I think we should be having: if you are switching instances because one has bot accounts listed and the other doesn't, you are still "manually curating your feeds", albeit in a very complicated way.

You think bots are bad, so you moved to LW. I've heard people glad about being on .ee because they like what the bots can bring.

At the end of the day, the deeper issue seems to be that people not only want to feel like they are in control of what they do, they also want to feel validated in their choices. And we keep searching for justifications to back those up, even when it's completely irrelevant.

They are not going to go through all this work and if the content is already offered somewhere else.

And if someone is using a program to automate this job which...

• gets content from a database of pre-curated accounts
• to post it to communities within a proper context

... is bad?

Why?

r/all is not the same as drinking from the firehouse. Reddit has other selection algorithms beyond the vote count to build the front page.

Yeah, sorry. I really don't want to rehash this discussion. Browsing by all only makes sense because the whole network is so small that people still believe that drinking from the firehose is the only way that can satiate they content consumption needs. And for the thousands of users here on Lemmy saying "this is too much content", there are tens of millions still locked on Reddit because no other place has the content they are looking for.

Until last year, users could not filter the instances themselves, so it was up to the admins to limit things at the federation level. Newer versions of Lemmy already give this tooling to end users, so if the bots bother them, I am just going to say "sorry, you have everything in your power to stop this from bothering you, go ahead and block it yourself".