There's no such thing as "ultra genocide" and if there was, it's already happening in Gaza and it's being fueled by a Democratic administration, not a Republican one.
I'm rejecting your notion that the genocide can be made worse as baseless. You can't fill a bucket that's already full, regardless of how much more water you pour into it.
It's full scale genocide. Nothing is inhibiting Israel, Biden is giving them everything they want already.
They have enough guns, they have enough bombs, they have enough soldiers, they completely control every entrance into Gaza. They control the water, the food, the stopping of aid. They are shooting people indiscriminately in the streets, in hospitals, bombing them in safe zones, pushing them into mass graves.
They have destroyed all the hospitals, all the schools, all the homes, all the infrastructure. They've killed all the press, they've bulldozed all the cemetaries. Children who've lost their entire families areliterally laying down, hoping to get run over by a car or killed.
That's how hopeless the genocide is in Gaza right now. Don't talk to me about vague "worse" options, as if that will give me a reason to ignore what's being done.
You can't actually offer up anything except "Maybe the American-made and delivered bullet that kills a Palestinian will be shot out of a gun held by a US soldier instead of and IDF soldier". That means nothing to me, it's immaterial to the real concern.
You understand the implication of putting something in quotes. It's not my subjective opinion what's happening in Gaza. It's real. No quotes are necessary, same as if we're talking about cars you don't need to put "car" in quotes when you talk about them as if it's some controversial term.
Again, I am cishet and white, so how is this self-interest?
Because Project 2025 will effect you too. The groups you're talking about (lgbt people, brown and black Americans) have already been suffering the consequences of right-wing oppression and neoliberal negligence. The difference now is that those consequences are threatening to bleed over into the comfortable bubbles of neoliberal middle class and it's freaking them out. Suddenly it's this big priority that we all must pitch in together, while for the last 40 years those minorities gave been told they need to accept "slow progress" and "generational change" so that the corporate status quo can continue on without disruption.
What the fuck.
Do you think a Palestinian child cares if it's an American pulling the trigger or an Israeli? Does it make a difference in the result?
It can be endorsing, yes. There's a reason so many democrats are not attending -- going to Netanyahu's speech lends him legitimacy and a greater perception of support.
World politics is about negotiation.
Stopping the genocide doesn't require negotiation, you withhold aid until they stop.
But as I keep saying, Harris will need to find way to signal that her meeting isn't in support of Netanyahu. If she goes in and is giving him hugs and holding his hand up in unity and that kind of bullshit, that's a really bad sign. It can go either way, I'm just stating that I won't support genocide just because it gets a fresh face on it, Harris needs to prove her commitment to holding Netanyahu to account in a real, material way.
the “real ongoing genocide” will be made worse by Trump.
Why are you putting this in quotes? It's an on-going genocide.
And there's nothing Trump can do to make what's hapoening in Gaza any worse. Israel is doing exactly as they please. There us no more room to push the needle. The fact that you think there's room for "worse" makes me think you don't actually understand what's happening there.
Even if Trump sent troops to help with the killing it wouldn't do anything, because it's a full-blown genocide already and the only thing Israel needs to continue it is what we've bern giving them.
Nope. I've been supportive of Harris up to this point since her stepping forward as potential nominee. I genuinely hope she can demonstrate that she's against the genocide.
I'm anti-genocide. Biden's policy on Gaza is fascism. It's the same at its core as Project 2025 or any other far right agenda. He's funding the slaughter of innocent human beings.
I'm not far-right, so I won't support it. Hopefully Harris chooses not to as well.
Yes, it is. It's cowardice and self-interest. You're not going to be able to flip this.
You can't on one hand claim you care about the hypothetical suffering millions while arguing for ignoring a very real on-going genocide funded by your representatives.
"Just let Democrats get away with funding the slaughter of Gazans as long as we can skirt around the consequences of our corrupt politics here."
Maybe this will help; imagine the Gazans are white Americans. Ignore that they're brown and live behind some imaginary line "somewhere else" in the world and instead pretend you see them as equal to you.
When you take the perspective that they're just as human and deserving of life as any of the other domestic groups you're talking about, you realize that Biden is, at this very moment, doing a "Project 2025" of his own. It's just against human beings who happen to be 7,000 miles away instead of closer to you.
If Harris chooses to continue Bidens policy on this, I can't vote for her, exactly the same as I can't vote for Trump or Biden or any other zionist.
Again, we haven't seen if she is as bad as Trump yet. Biden is, we know that, and it's a large part of what made him unelectable. If Harris picks up the genocidal mantle she's inheriting that same unelectability as far as I'm concerned, it would be a politically stupid move.
We have to see now if Harris will take deliberate steps to distance herself from the genocide support of Biden. Meeting with Netanyahu is not a good indication, but it's yet to be seen how it plays out.
You dismiss the idea that the humanity of Palestinians is equal to your own. Its ok for them to die under the bombs and weapons we supply to Israel, as long as it allows us to avoid our own domestic discomfort. We differ on this fact.
I'm part of the groups that will probably be most immediately effected by a Trump admin. That fear will not push me to support a genocide.
If the American system is broken and corrupted then we as Americans should be facing and reconciling those problems ourselves, not transferring our own potential discomfort and suffering overseas to kids that are out of sight and out of mind.
"Anything but voting for Trump is supporting Harris."
Nonsensical, right?
Biden and Trump are equally bad on genocide, there is no "worse". If Harris chooses to signal she's continuing Biden's genocide support I'm out again. I'm willing to compromise on Harris' generally but nothing has changed in my tolerance for pro-genocide candidates, and nothing ever will.
Luckily not funding genocide is an easy hurdle to cross. We'll see if Harris manages to do it.
Not a great sign, if she's going to go out of her way cozy up to him it's back to Uncommitted for me. Certainly don't want to, but I guess we'll see if Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory with this.
Undecided voters are largely a myth. When it comes to Donald Trump there is no one who hasn't decided what they think of him, all the people who would be dumb enough to be undecided this late in the game are already Trump supporters
I've never been a Harris fan, but her laugh is just kind of "normal human aunt" sounding to me.
I guess it sounds weird to Republican ears because it's not hyper-repressed and rigid? When a conservative tries to bring up weird laughs all that comes to mind are the likes of DeSantis or Tucker Carlson who laugh like they're having the wind stomped out of them with a steel-toed boot.
There's no such thing as "ultra genocide" and if there was, it's already happening in Gaza and it's being fueled by a Democratic administration, not a Republican one.