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They're powerless, they might as well not exist. The only purpose they serve is keeping even more fascists off the Court.

It was all fun and games until he said Israel doesn't know that the fuck it's doing.

You literally called it borderline magic.

Don't do that? They're pattern recognition engines, they can produce some neat results and are good for niche tasks and interesting as toys, but they really aren't that impressive. This "borderline magic" line is why they're trying to shove these chatbots into literally everything, even though they aren't good at most tasks.

They don't report Russia's claims this way. They don't report Iran's claims this way.

And people can see it, which is why they don't trust the media anymore.

Parliamentarian has been blocking a lot of the Republican agenda, I think we are about to find out if the parliamentarian is real.

Because Israel has a complete ban on reporters in Gaza, for example, there’s no way to corroborate or refute what Israel said. It’s newsworthy to repeat what Israel said, but you can’t blame the media when someone reads that and assumes that the government is telling the truth

If there's no way to corroborate or refute what Israel said, don't print what Israel said. Lies aren't newsworthy, except as a way to report on the lies themselves for the purpose of debunking them.

Remember when Israel first started bombing hospitals and blamed Islamic Jihad for it? They still don't claim responsibility for Al-Ahli Arab Hospital, but after a year of targeting hospitals and doctors it's ridiculous to deny it at this point.

Yet there were few retractions or corrections. As far as CNN and The Guardian are concerned, Israel didn't bomb that hospital. What a joke.

As you said yourself, the government lies all the time, so why would you assume that “the government said X happened” means that “X happened”.

I don't think people make that assumption anymore, but that's because people stopped trusting the media. They published and promoted so many government lies that they've destroyed their own credibility.

People expect the media to investigate government claims and to publish the truth, not just parrot the lies they're fed. When the media doesn't do that, when all the major news outlets become court stenographers, people lose faith in the media.

Maybe people are expecting too much, but that's what people have been taught to expect. They were taught that journalists find the truth and report on it. They're finding out that journalists basically just print what their sources say and they can't just trust things because they're in the news anymore.

And it's going to get worse forever.

My definition of artificial is a system that was consciously engineered by humans.

And humans consciously decided what data to include, consciously created most of the data themselves, and consciously annotated the data for training. Conscious decisions are all over the dataset, even if they didn't design the neural network directly from the ground up. The system still evolved from conscious inputs, you can't erase its roots and call it natural.

Human-like object concept representations emerge from datasets made by humans because humans made them.

Nothing that has been demonstrated makes me think these chatbots should be allowed to rewrite human history what the fuck?!

I see what you're saying here: if the media prints lies from a government it's not the media lying, it's the government. If Israel says Hamas beheaded 40 babies and that's found out to be a lie, it wasn't the media lying about Hamas beheading 40 babies and so the media is entirely innocent of printing the lies fed to it by a government like Israel.

Here's the thing: if a government lies all the fucking time and the media keeps printing what the government claims anyway, then that makes them complicit in spreading the government's lies. We all know Israel's government spreads lies, so printing the lies it spread about Hamas is just doing the government's work for them. The media doesn't get to wash its hands of the things it prints just because it puts "Israel says" before the headline.

It's literally the least you can do, less than literally anything else, and doing the least possible is not good enough.

You don't get to wash your hands because you voted for Kodos. Has Harris even come out against bombing Iran?

Bath water flavor.

I'm saying that the terms "natural" and "artificial" are in a dialectical relationship, they define each other by their contradictions. Those words don't mean anything once you include everything humans do as natural; you've effectively defined "artificial" out of existence and as a result also defined "natural" out of existence.

Look at that, it’s working.

What's working? Iran isn't any more dependent on Russia than it was before the strikes.

I think you should look at a map sometime. Unless you are taking about Russia-China relations, but that doesn’t seem to be the context here.

There are just as many countries between Iran and Russia as there are between Iran and China, I don't see why Iran would have to allow itself to be dependent on Russia when China is just as close. Granted, Russia and Iran border the Caspian Sea so they can access each others' ports, but Iran also has ocean coast so it can access Chinese ports as well. In terms of raw numbers, Iran's exports to China value $4.59B and imports value $10B. Trade with Russia, by comparison, is $1.9B. Total.

China is actually a closer economic partner with Iran than Russia is, so why wouldn't Iran be able to turn to China?

Also, Iran is a founding member of the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank. Also also, Iran is an observer member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, and looks to be in the process to become a full member eventually.

Also also also, Taiwan condemned Iran's strikes against Israel, so you know they're tight with China lol

Jesus do you want me to write you an essay?

I will say they just entered a new 20-year bilateral trade and military cooperation treaty on Jan 17th of this year, which is hardly something Russia would do if they were willing to just destroy Iran in a few months. They did this because trade between the countries has risen sharply due to the sanctions against Russia, and that's not going away any time soon so it would be foolish to sacrifice them at this stage. Then there's the suspected missiles and drones that Iran has been (possibly) supplying Russia for its war with Ukraine, and blowing them up would disrupt that supply line.

But if you're determined to believe Russia wants Iran to be bombed, I won't be able to stop you.

And I'm saying there's no way Putin wants Iran to be bombed, and so therefore this was done without his permission or knowledge.

Even conventional detonations on top of nuclear reactors or nuclear stockpiles?

If we define human inputs as "natural" then the word basically ceases to mean anything.

It's the equivalent of saying that paintings and sculptures emerge naturally because artists are human and humans are natural.

So you think they're stupid.

Belarus has basically been driven out of the European economy, but that's hardly something Russia did. If Russia has become an empire and Belarus has lost its sovereignty it's because Europe decided to force the issue. Bad move, I guess?

Or maybe Belarus and Russia are just allies and they're working together like normal allies do.

Either way, comparing this to Iran is absurd! Iran has ten times the population. Plus, China is right there. It wouldn't work.

Do you think Biden wouldn't have done the exact same thing to "defend" Israel?

This is clearly about Israel and the long-time desire for war with Iran in the US government. Blaming Russia is, frankly, absurd.

Trump certainly would like to have Putin as a business buddy, he's an 80's deals guy after all, but there's no business here that benefits Russia so that's also absurd. Russia does not benefit from Iran's collapse. This is very bad for Russia.