I’ve been using this build for a week or so now. And I gotta say, it’s definitely the missing feature for me 🥲 Even with the little delay in tapping the icon, I am finding it very much an improvement for me to use the app ❤️
I'm getting at the fact that most platforms do stupid shit like "this message might not be deleted if the receiver already saw it" like WhatsApp does and/or replacing messages with placeholders saying "this message was deleted". Telegram can be plain-text and can have a lot of issues but it guarantees that stuff is actually removed without trying to bullshit you like other do.
There's absolutely 0 guarantee that what you've "deleted" is deleted. On any platform really. But what you can rely on is the fact that the E2EE is there to make sure things are only readable by whoever the messages were intended for (barring being hacked and compromised keys etc). The message can say whatever it wants, doesn't mean a lot if you can't trust the source. Again, we're just talking about different threat models. With Telegram, it's not meant for secure and private communication. It has a different audience. And to push Telegram as a private or secure communication, you're actively doing the public a disservice.
If we assume that your privacy / security is broken (because it is) I might as well use the platform that provides the best desktop and mobile experience with fast syncs, ability to disable animations, have real desktop apps and not electron shit.
If you can't trust even open source technology that you can review and build yourself. And trust renowned cryptographers reviews of this technology.. then why are you in a privacy community telling people their experiences aren't true to what they're telling you?
Most people I chat with on Signal uses desktop too, I’ve never heard complaints. Most of my contacts use it now. There were hiccups in the earlier months but now it’s smooth and works great.
I use Telegram every now and then. It’s has some nice features. But it’s not secure. The reason the messages “sync” fast there… is because it’s all plain text and on the server. For everyone to read. This is an undisputable fact about Telegram. The nature of the large channels you mentioned requires this insecure mode of storing chat histories, so that everyone can access. Where as with Signal, everything is E2EE. Except a tiny bit of metadata. Telegram everything is unencrypted until you use secret chats. Again. Different threat models. You can’t really compare it to Signal. It’s more akin to FB messenger. Which is not secure. Or private.
Messages being deleted for everyone is a pretty common feature across all the platforms now. I’m not sure what you’re getting at. Arguably, chat history being stored plain text is much more a privacy nightmare (it’s literally the reason people want E2EE) than anything else.
I never understood these arguments for Telegram. Sure, it does have more features. It's not better in terms of usability and cross platform support though. I use Signal desktop everyday. It's a great experience. Cross platform.. The only platform Signal doesn't support is Web. Which... if there are mobile apps and desktop apps. Web is an insecure redundant need IMO. For the argument that web is good for scenarios where you can't install desktop apps: I would flip the question to.. why would you give a platform you have 0 control, permission to access your secure & private messaging? It just comes down to threat modelling. Telegram is neither secure, nor private. It shouldn't even be in the same conversation unless talking about FB Messenger, messaging on Instagram or DMing on Twitter/X.
FB Messenger and Instagram Messenger would be the worst for privacy... But Telegram is basically just FB Messenger with nicer UX features.
There's a couple of platforms that have better privacy and security (debatable) features than Signal, but Signal is more widely adopted amongst the E2EE Messengers.
Having used the branch for a day, I think it would be cool if we could scroll to the top of the current view first. Like if I’m on a long thread. Tapping the tab icon, would be handy to go up to the top first. But I can also see why someone would want to have it go back to the previous view instead. Maybe if there’s a way to swipe forward to the same spot you were just at. 🙏
I forget if that’s how Apollo did it or not. In my mind I had thought it scrolled to the top of the current view first then went back one. Too bad we can’t check 🥲
👀 I don’t see that one! Not in either build 🤓
EDIT: I see it now! In the RC 😍 so cute!! Damn that search page is so handy!
Anyway you can update this branch? 👀🙏🥹
EDIT #2: I rebased the branch locally to the RC commit! This runs really well 👀🫶