qevlarr @ qevlarr @lemmy.world

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AfD are not all Germans. You know this. There have been widespread protests. I'm assuming you're Dutch and I hope you would be equally offended if people said you are complicit in Geert Wilders horrible utterings. There aren't any widespread protests of PVV as for the AfD.

I don't see the point in arguing here, to be honest. I am not defending anything bad here. I'm just sick of the kneejerk reaction equating present day Germans to actual 1940s Nazis for shits and giggles.

We need Germans who support Israel unconditionally to consider that Jews aren't the victims this time, and that protecting Jewry from antisemitism does not mean they can't do anything wrong, ever. It doesn't help if people show a blatant disregard for the history and sensibilities of German society

I know, it's fucked up. I just want to comment on these braindead "Nazis gonna Nazi, amirite?" comedians littering every thread about Germany and Israel right now

True but these American jokesters aren't referring to that, I can assure you.

We should do something about right wing extremism being on the rise all over Europe, especially the politicians and rich fucks getting away with it

This right here is what I'm talking about. We all know the history, thank you very much. Germany's stance comes from extreme loyalty to Jews to make up for past crimes, not from a desire to genocide Gazans. I can't say it any more plainly. These jokes and remarks about "Germans always be genociding" are insulting and incorrect.

And you don't have to explain to me how Israel is absolutely in the wrong in this conflict, my friend. Israel is committing (and has been committing) genocide and I condemn that to the fullest. Not only should there be a ceasefire, there should be an end to the occupation

I'm as appalled as anyone here, but as someone who speaks German, follows German media and worked in Germany for several years, please stop with the misinformed "Germany supporting genocide again, I guess they never change hurr durr" bullshit.

Germans know their history and every kid is taught a deep shame of what past Germans had done. They feel they owe an infinitely large debt to all Jews for the horrors of the holocaust. They all still feel responsible.

There are laws against antisemitism. Again, this is reasonable for a country with this history. They don't want any of this to come back, or to make a joke or justification of what happened. Joke about Nazis in public and you'll find yourself in trouble immediately.

About the current events in Gaza. German media and politicians interpret criticism of Israel as coming from antisemitism, even if the criticism itself may be justified. They may not hear your arguments at all, if they think you're just saying these things because of some secret antisemitic agenda. It's not that there isn't any criticism, but there is very little and it's always surrounded with a lot of "I'm not antisemitic" qualifiers. You can say something about the Israeli government, but not about the existence of Israel itself. You can call the killing in Gaza terrible tragedy, but never a genocide. Public protest doesn't do that kind of nuance, so it's regarded as highly suspect. The chant "from the river to the sea" is tainted, so you can't say it at all, regardless of intent, interpretation of its meaning, they will flat out stop you. In this sense, dialog is certainly difficult. Once you cross the line, they will dismiss anything after that as the ramblings of just another antisemite. It's not possible to have the difficult conversations at all.

I'm not saying I agree with any of this, but this is how German society at large sees it. For me personally, zionism and Israel are harmful remnants of colonialist thinking that have no place in this century. Germany needs to grow up when it comes to their stance on Israel. Israel can't keep oppressing Arabs the way they have. Peace can only come from trying to restore justice and that means equal rights for non-Jews, return of land, right to return of refugees, economic aid, etcetera.

Germany should look at South Africa, Northern Ireland and to their own German Unification as examples from history to follow, and admit their holocaust trauma is distorting their view of the current situation.

WHERE EXE

They should offer reusable metal straws

If your whole statement is we shouldn't try to solve global warming because some people are rich

I don't think that's what they're saying at all. Any solution to climate change is incomplete if it doesn't also address inequality and overconsumption

Punching nazis good but maybe consider you're just being an asshole, judging from this little interaction already

Both of you should keep your snark/quips on reddit and twitter, please

They could stay in Gaza if Israel weren't bombing it to little pieces

I hope that's a joke or else I'm gonna be so mad

Sure man. Here's Washington Post reporting on this fake AI troll factory content

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/16/new-new-middle-east-israel-region-saudi-relations-fututre/

Anyway, back to the subject. Aren't Israeli officials calling for Gazans to be forced to go to Sinai? Do you condemn the atrocities of Israel?

Edit: Haha, you removed the part where you said this was obviously AI generated. What a tool

So what. I can still appreciate what he tried to do

Hey man, I know it must seem unfair how everyone is bashing Israel all the time and accusing them of genocide. But maybe consider Israeli leadership is openly calling for genocide. Bibi Netanyahu literally held up this map with Palestine completely wiped off. Now don't tell me they're only doing all of this as a reaction to October 7th, because this photo was taken two weeks before. We all see the news. They're leveling Gaza. Don't gaslight

Do you condemn Israel?

Without a definition of "antisemitic", one that distinguishes between hate directed at Jews for their ethnicity or religion, versus criticism of the state of Israel or supporters of Israel, then I'm taking this with a massive pile of salt.

"Antisemitism" is being weaponized to suppress any opposition to the genocide of Palestinians, the taking of their land, the occupation that has lasted for more than half a century already.

It's disgusting how Jews all over the world are letting this happen. We hear all the time "do you condemn Hamas" asked of anyone who doesn't fully support everything Israel does, but then we should be able to ask them

Do you condemn Israel?

I hate this trope. "Conflating Israel with all Jews, is antisemitic". This is exactly what Israel does all the fucking time and Jews internationally hardly push back against it. Criticism of Israel is widely regarded as antisemitic, isn't that also conflating the two? Or when they call the October 7th attacks antisemitic? Someone doesn't get to call us antisemitic for criticizing Israel but also say Israel does not represent them. We can all see what they're doing to Gaza. Religion has fuck all to do with it

That's exactly where the graffiti should be. Same with the monarchy example.

I'm just explaining, not defending the regulation. If you ask me, all borders are tools of oppression. The goal should be to have a world where anyone is free to go where they please and build a life where they want to be. I know there are problems with that, but let's at least agree that prohibiting people from moving to greener pastures is an imperfect solution that could be resolved without the violence inherent in borders as movement barriers (rather than borders delineating jurisdiction, which is fine)