Problematic Consumer @ problematicconsumer @lemmy.world

Flutter Dev, Crypto enthusiast

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After 1 day, they already have more users, so I don't understand how defederating can help us grow?! It will just make more sense for more people to use threads instead, since much more users are there.

But I literally said the opposite!

If you choose to defederate you have isolated your users, made a decision of whom they can and can not interact with. Again, if this was agreed upon by the user at time of sign up (like niche communities) it's understandable. There's not even a migration option on some of these apps like lemmy, you can't change your instance easily if they decide to defederate.

If you cared enough to read my post (or comments under maybe) you would've seen that I have no problem with defederation in general. My issue is defederation of general instances with 10s of thousands of users for literally no reason but FUD. If you can prove that some other instance is harmful, you should definitely consider defederating

Can you elaborate?

Did I say everyone is looking for drama? It's above and not edited, Some people, if someone has no idea how this tech works and does no research and comes to conclusions, yes they're just looking for drama. Of course, there are good cases for defederation and must be considered.

Now, this is a great case! I totally understand culture and overall vibe of communities, and I think if you have a very special niche or different community, it's fine to defederate. Problem is general instances like lemmy.world

I have no problem with people making educated decisions or ask for change based on facts. Fully agree about quality over quantity as well. My issue is FUD, having no idea what you're talking about and still trying to convince everyone of that is harmful. When people working day and night on these protocols say there are no privacy concerns and no one can show you ads etc. and yet someone with literally zero understanding of the matter claims otherwise.

Exactly, I have a lot of normie friends that use threads, I don't want to use it but would love to interact with them. Best of both worlds

I understand your view but no, not everyone here cares about fediverse, honestly this technicalities should be abstracted for the end user. Not everyone is a nerd or have time or passion to care about fediverse, should we abandon them just because we dont like meta? No we should create a platform just as fun and easy to use as centralized platforms with better privacy and no ads.

If we keep doing this very few people will use fediverse just like what happend to matrix and others

If it's not technically possible for them to show me ads, see my ip, private messages etc how is this harmful?

I'm not new to this, though usually not very active poster. so yes I have not experienced much harassment tbh.

About defederation

True! Defederation is great sometimes, if you have a niche community and there is some other instance directly opposing your values or if content there is illegal in your jurisdiction etc.

Nagging about every single instance with a few bad actors on the other hand is problematic in my opinion

Exactly. Some people are just looking for drama

I seriously don't understand this mindset! If meta manages to make a better product it will definitely have more users, it's just how everything works!

Users will have the option to pick between convince of meta or freedom of smaller instances. Who are we to decide for everyone?