The other one they do is "never leaving the tent"
I have been in that many discuusions where someone just has to have the last word, their posts getting longer & longer but making more or less the same point.
It feels like arguing with a LLM.
If the end result is no legislation being passed then surely you agree that its not a win.
We can argue about whose fault it is & realistically that will be different for each bill. For the housing one I would have liked to have seen the greens get it in - it was a measurable improvement. The greens are right to complain about labor bullying but saying no every time gets us nowhere.
Meaningful change or nothing? Blame labor all you want, the greens voted against an improvement.
Fuck ideals, I want progress.
Even if you disagree with me (which is fair) check your local candidates in theyvoteforyou.org.au - especially independents who vary enormously between rhetoric, voting and even attendance.