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I’ll take that as a win. Come back when you want to have an actual conversation and I can also present a detailed account of who was there first, if we want to do the whole colonialism versus indigenous peoples debate.

I’ve debated people at length on this topic and have concluded that this is a half-baked idea that is impossible to implement without destroying society in any form that has been presented to date.

Yeah, who in their right mind would cross a six lane interstate highway? He was playing Frogger with his life.

Once again, what part of what I said do you refute and why. I’m willing to have a spirited debate.

Sweeping generalizations have no place in good journalism. They are a tool of propagandists.

What part of my statements do you refute and why?

You didn’t read the article. It makes broad assertions about the US’s dealing in Iraq, calling it all atrocities. This is not good journalism.

It is a more complex topic than these students understand. Whether elected or not, the government of your region represents you. You can either choose to go along with there agenda, oust them, or leave. If you stay, you are subject to their whims. The whole, “you took my land” point holds no water in global politics. Just like mergers and acquisitions in business, countries change hands. The rules change. No one possesses the Earth or a specific plot of land in any sense beyond what can be inferred through the social contract of your government. There government collapsed. A new one formed with new rules. This is the way of the world. Your deed is only as good as the authority of the land deems it.

Building upon social contracts, and continuing to work off many concepts from Locke’s Treatises of Government; something these students should have read, someone who declares war can be met with the same. This is the breakdown of civil discourse. In the case of Gaza, the government chose that path at the detriment to their citizens. War is by its nature an indiscriminate mess. We should all strive for peaceful discourse. The issue here is that one side has been teaching their young to hate the other for allowing liberalism and egalitarianism into their communities. They are rigid and believe in a system where women and gender fluid are inferior. They have been unwilling to come to the table and Hamas’ constitution basically calls for the eradication of the Jewish race.

In conclusion, being pro-Palestinian and properly calling out that there is no excuse for terrorism is somewhat acceptable, which is not what these students did. Being against Palestine because a territory with several million people should simply assimilate into the larger country surrounding them is in fact the logical best choice. They don’t have to give up their culture, except for the parts that call for war against others for being different. They live in segregated apartheid because they chose to cut themselves off from Israel. Deals have been offered to assimilate them into society have happened for years. They live as a failed region, propped up by charity. Their experiment in micronation didn’t work. Not Israel’s fault. It would have helped their cause if they could control the militants firing rockets at a sovereign nation, but alas it was their own government all along.

This reads like Chinese propaganda. It is not unbiased.

1. Muslim: Around 90-95% of the population. 2. Christian: Approximately 1-2% of the population. 3. Other or non-religious: The remaining 2-9% of the population.

I agree that ethnostates are not a good thing, but that is clearly what Palestine is, hence their ridiculous bullshit. Israel is a least making an attempt at being non-denominational in government. It is a safe haven for Jews, but it does not have a national religion and is careful to not make laws that raise one religion over another. The current administration is less tolerant of those rules and isn’t that great, but the conflict has been around longer than them. The whole homeland argument is so outdated. The Jews got pushed out by them many years prior. It’s been a back and forth for centuries. They need to share, but the Palestinians are mostly Muslim and are assholes. They are responsible for causing violence instead of brokering peace. They started a war on there home turf. They are the reason people are getting killed. Are you denying that they launch rockets are Israel from within their civilization areas because that shit’s well documented.

They border Egypt. Surely their fellow Muslims would help them and not lock them out.

This literally says that it is the defacto government of Gaza. Just because another political body doesn’t agree doesn’t mean that they aren’t the ones controlling the day to do. They don’t have a democracy, which is on them to correct as well. Arab culture does not promote the type of mentality required to support Democracy. It’s just rugged tribalism where women are relegated to a form of slavery and children are indoctrinated to a culture of hate. That population was being regulated by Israel to provide order. They wanted independence from Israel and were unwilling to work on a means to assimilate. It was unable to form a productive society and was just breading terrorists.

My take on it is that many of the people in the Palestinian territories have a backwards culture where women are relegated to home life and queer people are to be hung. This isn’t just a small pocket of their communities. These are the people in charge. They don’t just want land. They want to eradicate cultures that are different from theirs. Many peace talks occurred over the past half-century, but they always end because the Palestinians just want to get rid of Jews and anyone that doesn’t submit to their narrow worldview. These shitty people allow their leaders to shoot rockets at Israeli cities. They could come to amicable agreements, but don’t. This is what causes the apartheid-like conditions. They did it to themselves. They then decided to let their leaders declare war and are not paying the price. The bad guys are filling their homes, that they know are targets, with women and children. Many people use Islam to justify monstrous actions. They think that all other ways of life are an affront to their beliefs. If the people of Gaza want to continue to exist, they need to get rid of their terrorist government.

Hamas is the government of the Gaza Strip. They declared war. The Gaza Strip is now a war zone because the people in charge started a war.

I’m very successful in what I do in IT and interact with many business users. They just come to accept that when I go on a technical jargon tangent, I will rehash it for them in layman’s terms once I speak the incomprehensible version which gives me the opportunity to get my thoughts in order. I am slowly learning to do that part in my head and to know my audience. I found that reading books on philosophy, politics, communication, and time management have all helped me to make my discussions with other it’s a strategic game where I know that I have to say things properly to accomplish the goal. If you realize that why you are opening your mouth is to accomplish a specific objective, then you can target just that objective and bulletpoints you other thoughts in notes for later. I’ve gone as far as to state allowed what I needed to and sent my bulletpoints soon after as either meeting notes or in the meeting chat if on zoom.

What will that mean exactly? Is the US going to scramble fighters to Gaza? Who are we presumably engaging using our most advanced navel vessel?

Well, don’t declare war on a country that you are dependent upon for all your resources and then expect its help.

In warmer water their metabolism goes up and they need to forage more food to survive. While they were attempting to do that, the were getting eaten by predators that typically couldn’t enter their region.

No shit.