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What I've learned from insightful interactions in this thread is that Teslas are in fact the best car in existence, bar none. This whole situation about Elon Musk deciding to speak up as a fascist is just all very unfortunate. Other than the fascism thing, the only nits with Tesla is the image, and the countless broken promises, deceit and outright fraud should be ignored because other companies lie and cheat, too.

I certainly have; I bought a VW four years after the TDI emissions scandal. I'm by no means immune to this.

As an aside, the fact that the Wikipedia article didn't exist doesn't mean the issues cited in it weren't already widely reported in the media. Some infamous court cases go back to 2017, including SEC fraud and union busting. False claims have been Elmo's standard operating procedure with promises such as full self driving and range first becoming broken beginning 2016, and speed of supercharging and battery swapping in 2013.

This is of course to say nothing of the outright taxpayer fraud of Hyperloop and the Boring Company, but that's a story for another day.

If you're curious, here's a nifty website that's been tracking his truthiness: https://elonmusk.today/

That's completely relatable. I was in the market for a new car in 2019 and ironically chose for VW despite the emissions scandal.

For me, buying a car remains a multi-year investment, because I bought it to serve a purpose over an extended period of time. I ran the numbers for 10 years between different manufacturers, each with different base prices, but also prices for subscriptions, service and repairs, and contrasted against long term costs of alternatives like public transportation. What exactly defines an investment is somewhat of a grey area and I guess the same logic would disqualify a home as an investment. The only real difference is that a car is always a bad investment (unless you take Elmo at his word).

It's unfortunate that the dealership situation has weighed in to your decision, as Tesla abused their position as a new entry into the market to be exempt from state franchise laws. Most other car manufacturers have been selling cars longer through the conventional dealership model and are literally forbidden from adapting. Some states have maximum market share requirements which were put into place after the popularity of Tesla took off, effectively squeezing new entrants like Rivian out of state markets like Washington. This issue is more about state regulations and how Tesla uses and abuses its power to increase their profit margin.

I'm not at all arguing in favor of dealerships—don't get me wrong. But the fact that Tesla doesn't have them is not because of any innovation, but an unfair competitive advantage.

That's an odd position to take. Fraud is okay since others commit fraud as well? Not many companies have a Wikipedia entry documenting their ongoing deception and fraud since 2017.

My position on Elon Musk and Tesla by extension is clear. If you are supportive of them, that's completely up to you.

I understand your rationale, that makes sense.

Perhaps my priority is different, as I don't make a habit of making investments with companies that have well documented track records of misleading and lying to customers. I didn't buy a Tesla then, and I wouldn't now, and the only thing that has changed is the public perception. That, for me, is secondary to the trustworthiness of the company.

If you knew then that he was a liar, then I really don't see how you can complain about it now. You evidently knew which business you were getting into.

But if the scam was already running for three years, then it seems all the more sensible not to trust this person, no? How is it better that people are still falling for his lies after a decade?

Are you suggesting that full self driving was fully implemented by 2019? Because it's 2025 and it's still not ready. How have I failed at math?

He was a boldfaced liar six years ago, too. You fell for the "full self driving by 2016" scam and the other false claims and fabrications.

This is a terrific comment! Why didn't you provide all that information in the original post? It was so extremely misleading that my skepticism meter maxed out.

Thank you for providing all the background information with sources. Because your original post asserted journalists were murdered, then mentions Aaron Bushnell without any further context, it suggests that IDF murdered him. I believe I've made myself clear in my original comment that this is very misleading. I've also pointed out that the linked content from that original post is not adequately sourced.

Now that you have taken the time to provide more details about the story, I understand that this is just a misunderstanding due missing context in the original post.

Like I said, I'm sympathetic towards the cause. Reading back my comments, I don't believe I "said stupid shit," am "too much in denial" or am "brainwashed by some zionist indoctrination." I encourage everybody to have a healthy dose of skepticism but don't appreciate your hostility and wild accusations.

(I'm interested to learn about that gig to earn money by saying stupid shit, though.)

The links you've provided offer no details from credible sources. The only information you've provided was Aaron Bushnell, which you only now clarified to be "a separate incident" after being called out.

I don't doubt that there's truth in what you're saying and I sympathize with the cause, but surely you can appreciate how your approach constitutes spreading of misinformation.

I would say it's deliberately misleading/propaganda; there's little uncertainty about what happened.

For those of you that may be as confused as I was upon reading this post, Aaron Bushnell set himself on fire outside the front gate of the Embassy of Israel in Washington, D.C.

You're saying the addition of Copilot into MS Paint is anything short of revolutionary? You heretic.

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I'm completely with you on this, and I'm surprised your comment is so highly voted because this community is quick to endorse vigilantism. Just the other day I was scrolling through a thread full of comments about how a guy who was arrested should have been more brutally assaulted by an angry mob.

This really speaks volumes to how little people care about where their food comes from.

The amount of meat, for example, that is just thrown away sickens me. As if it's not bad enough that we farm animals in deplorable conditions, we kill them so they can be thrown straight into the trash.

Sometimes, when I am reminded of the plague our species is upon this planet, I just can't care about keeping homo sapiens sapiens from going extinct.

Obligatory comment that endorses pirating software. We need to make sure this stereotype about Lemmy remains accurate.