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oh no it's time for circles

what's your plan for returning power to indigenous people without involving a group that's currently in power (and therefore predominantly white, since racism exists), without having right wing populists use the power vacuum to seize control?

again, a group of people that's been oppressed to the degree native americans have is not in a position to govern a nation like america

do you deny the oppression that native americans have faced?

again, a group of people that's been oppressed to the degree native americans have is not in a position to govern a nation like america

do you deny the oppression that native americans have faced?

Jewish people

you're comparing the us's genocide to nazi germany and jewish people were the ones you chose to bring up?

literally no part of my reply was denying genocide that the us has participated in

what's your plan for returning power to indigenous people without involving a group that's currently in power (and therefore predominantly white, since racism exists), without having right wing populists use the power vacuum to seize control?

We have committed more genocide

by what metric?

total number of genocides participated in, maybe..?

but the state isn't building death camps, and if you compare the death toll in Palestine to those in Nazi Germany it's a stark difference

exploiting workers to death for economic benefit is very objectionably inexcusable, but by definition not genocide, and by attempting to reposition it as such you're lessening the definition of genocide rather than helping the plight of those abused by capitalism

yes, i think allowing the machine of capitalism to churn through lives incidentally is at least marginally better than building a machine specifically designed to churn through as many lives as possible in as short a window as possible

very obviously neither should be happening at all, and the fact either is is frankly disgusting, but you were the one who decided to directly compare them

and are currently more fascistic than Nazi Germany.

again, the fact you're able to type this is proof that it's false

super weird that the abused aren't in a position of power, and that the abusers are

yeah, the party in power is majority white, and yeah that's because of historic racism, but that doesn't change the scenario that we're both looking at

i'm saying they're not up to the task without significant support from some hypothetical party backing them up

i don't know what party you'd put in that position if not the current government, and at that point it seems like we're back to the start, no?

because acknowledging that the native american population has been beaten down by the state repeatedly and for centuries isn't anti-indigenous? because acknowledging that the native american population is a victim of systemic and at times systematic racism isn't anti-indigenous?

unless you would deny that they've been beaten down by the state repeatedly and for centuries?

yes because of your pfp, why else? who doesn't love columbo?

i'm not using anti-indigenous capitalist propaganda

attempting to reframe anything that's been said so far as such is clearly arguing in bad faith, and frankly, really weird

We are currently WORSE than Nazi Germany

an insane proposition

you wouldn't be able to type that, were you actually in nazi germany, without fear of retribution

sorry my columbo roleplay isn't very good i've only watched the youtube clips

you're going in circles without adding anything new to the discussion

but that would lead to a nation closer to nazi germany than where it sits currently, which i feel like everybody would agree is a bad thing

i feel like you're looping the conversation back to where it started, sir

naturally, i wouldn't ever accuse you of doing such a thing, because it would be a slight on your character

after centuries of being oppressed by the ruling class? yes, sir. i do, sir.

i think anybody would be incapable of holding together a nation like the usa after that kind of treatment, sir

sorry sir i don't believe i said that

i believe i said i oppose returning the land to native groups with a completely hands-off approach because it would most likely lead to a right-wing uprising within the country, which would ultimately strip said native groups of their newly held rights anyway

certainly sir right you are

but, just one more thing

i don't think a group of people that the state has spent centuries stamping out are in a position to successfully hold together a country as wide-spread and diverse as the united states, so i feel like just handing it over with no other intervention is as good as a free for all, and i think that just leads to a right wing takeover

but if the right wing took power of america's arsenal i think more Palestinians and immigrants would die

i don't think the left wing is best positioned to take power if there was a collapse

i think a collapse would bring the us significantly more right wing

they did their job so well they were no longer required, i'm sure