Isn't this exactly part of the problem? Men have been gaslit into "being a man" on one side, while also being taught to fear "toxic masculinity" if they try to discuss their problems in group/digital settings. It seems no matter how such a community behaves there will always people that push both of these narratives. But they're not part of the solution, so I'm not sure I'm gonna take them seriously.
Agreed - terrible ideas. And we can all individually choose to ban people espousing such nonsense in the interest of protecting ourselves. I'm only objecting to that decision being made on my behalf. It's not effective as a strategy to reduce the spread of these bad ideas, or as a way of demonstrating how much better the other ideas are. Not sure why this is such a controversial point - used to be a fairly mundane position to hold.
Agreed, Stalin and Mao represent some spectacularly bad ideas that have been undeniably harmful, and I haven't seen a convincing argument in their favour. Bulk banning bad ideas as "hate speech" bothers me greatly though. I much prefer a situation where each individual can just block the things they don't want to see.
Because it's important to be able to discuss ideas and disagree about things, and lemmy is a place where I hope to do just that. I can't do that though if we collectively conflate the badness of ideas with the apparent badness of the people who hold those ideas. Ideas don't have feelings, so let's be as scathing as we see fit towards bad ideas, without trying to supress their existence, or create idea tribes.
We have better ideas, they have worse ideas. Right? So let's promote our good ideas and argue against the bad ideas. Turning idea-having into a kind of values-laden team sport isn't useful.
Cool. Let's double down on dogma and orthodoxy. That's sure to fix it. Let's also be sure to remind people that disagree with us that they are in fact, bad people.
Now that I have solved All The Problems imma go outside.
Wait. This isn't from the Good Place?