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(since existing laws just aren’t enforced)

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I've been thinking about this a lot since making the thread and I've realized that one of the root causes of our problems as Americans is that we haven't enforced the laws we've had on the books for a very long time, and we haven't because we allowed ourselves to be manipulated by evil people. I am not sure if it's possible to build a system that can protect people against having the very same debate system we evolved with turned against us to convince us to do or accept things we otherwise wouldn't.

We need to change, not just the law.

Most of those problems go away simply by banning capitalism, having direct democracy, abolishing the prison system and accepting that people have the right to be unhealthy and that includes kids.

Or one could advocate an authoritarian society where junk food is largely banned or made unavailable, rights are arbitrarily denied individuals when they are convicted of a crime, having AIs run everything politically and having the state own all corporations and all profits.

Having a FOSS voting system would enable electronic voting without the baggage. Decentralize the means to certify votes. End to end encryption and anonymization always. If there are groups of people who disagree with the vote, they get separated from the main group and given land and territory of their own. That's how I'd do it.

I don't think using ignorant Americans as a policy standard is going to achieve anything.

Ehh. Blaming it on age and not the isolated actions of a single generation is really doing a disservice to all of humanity. Historically older people never hosed younger people as things have been happening now so it can't be an age thing.

Granted, there's historical precedent for having a mandatory retirement age and age minimums for a lot of things, but banning 50-70 year olds is a really hard sell, especially since that's around the age when people are the most influential and productive in their lives.

You can just edit your post, you know

Aren't a lot of professionals who build this world 50-somethings?

Then you can't have any government, or really, any meaningful social interaction.

All democratic governments are built on the assumption they'll be acted upon in good faith, because without good faith, no cooperation or society is possible. All a society is is a group of people either working together in good faith.

If you want to go off and live by the law of the jungle, then by all means, go ahead. But the rest of us will move on without you.

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Okay, so I have put a LOT of thought into this question, and after reading everyone else's opinions on the matter, I thought I'd share mine. You guys have a lot of good ideas, some of which I didn't think about before. I hope my ideas can inspire similar contemplation.

Okay, here goes:

IN THE NAME OF liberty, truth, justice, cupcakes, porn, and all that is good in this life, We The People of The Motherfucking Galactic Republic hereby establish and ordain this new Constitution, with blackjack and hookers.

Based on the millennia of suffering of ourselves and our ancestors, We The People hereby establish and remind the reader that ALL PEOPLE HAVE BASIC NATURAL RIGHTS that either the government or any organization of people cannot violate, or must enable and adhere to, respectively. We lay out this Constitution to provide a Framework from which the government, organizations and the people can sort out what and how that should be done, and what ways most benefit the people.

We also hereby establish in the name of harmony, justice, truth and goodness that along with RESPECTING AND ENABLING NATURAL RIGHTS, government, organizations and the people must also adhere to certain responsibilities to ensure the best and most positive outcome for the people and to protect the natural rights of everyone involved.

NATURAL RIGHTS

We the People hereby establish this list of Natural Rights we recognize from the start.

We first stress that this list is not exhaustive, and that Natural Rights are not limited to only the contents of the list. As the future plays out, the people will experience situations new to humanity and therefore the Natural Rights of which the people expect the government and organizations to enforce and protect will, by its nature, expand. New amendments to this list shall be done in accordance with the instructions of this here Constitution.

RIGHT #1: THE RIGHT TO HAVE ONE'S PHYSICAL NEEDS MET

The most basic of all Natural Rights is the right to have one's physical needs met by the government and organizations. These rights include, but not limited to:

• The right to steady and fair access to nutritious and delicious food, and clean, safe, drinkable water.
• The right to a safe, clean, pestilence-free, and sturdy domicile that will comfortably meet a person's need for shelter, food, water, electricity and homeostasis.
• The right to access to electricity, including but not limited to power generation for their shelter.
• The right to access and use all publicly available or published information that has ever been created up to this point and in the future.
• The right to access and use communications platforms, including but not limited to mail and any electronic communications systems developed before or since, especially Internet and interplanetary/interstellar communications systems.
• The right to clean, suitably fitting clothing that will meet the wearer's need for protection from the external world and homeostasis.
• The right to clean, safe, fast and efficient transportation, on all scopes as described later in this Constitution.

No organization and no government can receive or require payment for the fulfillment of any of these aspects of the right to have one's needs met.

RIGHT #2: THE RIGHT TO SAFETY

We The People assert that we live in an objective reality with a natural world filled not only with wonders, but with many dangers, and therefore the government and organizations are mandated to protect, enforce and safeguard the very real need the people have to maintain and protect themselves, each other, their communities, nation and species.

These rights include, but not limited to:

• The inalienable right to use lethal or non-lethal force in self-defense and defense of other people in life-threatening situations, whether those situations be immediate, or long-term such as domestic abuse, stalking or harassment.
• The right of all individuals to own weapons.
• The right to access and receive combat training, including in the use of weapons.
• The collective right to own ordnance for all communities.
• The collective right to form militias and militaries, and to give combat training access to all individuals in a community.
• The right to secure one's domicile against all forms of attack, whether foreign or domestic

Weapons are defined as:

• any instrument or device for use in attack or defense in combat, fighting, or war, as a sword, rifle, drone or cannon, that can be held and operated by a single individual. Explosive devices equal to or less in power than a stick of TNT are also included.

Ordnance is defined as:

• any vehicle designed for military or combat use, including but not limited to tanks, ships, airplanes, or spaceships; large weapons that require more than one individual to operate; explosive devices more powerful than one stick of TNT; bioweapons; nuclear, relativistic (such as asteroids or missiles deliberately launched toward another) or antimatter weapons. Note that individuals are explicitly ALLOWED to have vehicles NOT designed for combat use as defined here. No government or organization can declare a clearly not combat-designed vehicle as one.

FOR THE safety, protection, provision, and betterment of the people of The Motherfucking Galactic Republic, the government is mandated to have and operate A SPACE PROGRAM, to be given no less than 10% of the federal government's gross earnings (whether they be taxes, direct revenue, however the hypothetical government makes money).

This space program must do, bare minimum:

• Fund the exploration and colonization of the Solar System
• Construct O'Neill cylinders of minimum size 5 miles in diameter and 20 miles long
• Begin and operate mass production of antimatter
• Fund and operate scientific and research projects, including but not limited to construction and maintenance of space telescopes, to study the universe
• Begin and operate mining and resource extraction of all minor planets, asteroids, and comets in the Solar System. All heavenly bodies in the Solar System collectively belong to the people of The Motherfucking Galactic Republic and their contents must be fairly and evenly distributed to the people in accordance with this here Constitution Of Justice And Cookies.

And that's as far as I've got. The Motherfucking Galactic Republic is obviously just a filler name; I don't know if any of these ideas would ever be implemented but they could be used for any new nation, so...

Yeah, I'm sure someone who won't put up with you trying to frame pedophiles in a positive light would be a monster in your eyes. Can't have anyone actually hold the pond scum you're protecting accountable in any meaningful way. How else would you fulfill your pathological need to feel needed?

You keep living up to your namesake and you're going to find yourself in a gutter with a crack pipe and an empty bottle of Jim Beam, dude. Seriously.

I'm sure you do, you fucking idiot.

Boy, you really don't have any actual reading comprehension, do you?

Or you are a pedophile out here concern trolling protecting your fucked up brethren.

Your new government, presumably.

Though if you can't trust it to faithfully enforce its laws, why have it? Or any government, for that matter?

Like, you can take the fear of discrimination to justify not having anything

Guess your username checks out too

Tell us you're not actually paying attention without telling us you're not actually paying attention

There are people who have messed up brains, who are attracted to kids, and hate themselves for it. They seek help (usually through lots of chemical treatments), and use the term MAP to separate themselves from the pedos.

This is a lie meant to make pedophiles come off as sympathetic. They're ALL terrible and there is no distinction between one pedo and another. If there's anything that horrific instance should have shown anyone, it's that. Any pedo who claims they hate themselves for it and are getting therapy are lying to you.

Maybe actually read what's being said before blowing a gasket.

Man, my faith in humanity meter keeps dropping and dropping and dropping with every little thing I see on Lemmy today. Can we get some good news, please?

Username checks out

There are actual retards out in the wild that use the term to describe pedophiles unironically. No one likes them. Bully them.

He's just trolling, just ignore him.

To be fair, literally anything can, will be or probably has already been used to enforce discrimination or segregation somewhere in the world. We won't get anywhere living in fear of bigots.