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  • No, no, I've argued with enough of you over the years to know how you work. That's a demand, alright, and a harmful one, not just for society as a whole but for stupid people who make mind-numbingly stupid decisions, and it's not just with Reddit users. You do the same thing with drug addicts, domestic abusers, rapists -- I even saw you do it for a child killer here on Lemmy -- and you can't see how fucked up what you're doing is.

    We live in a nation of laws, expectations and responsibilities and that means no matter what your excuse is, there are still things you are not supposed to be doing regardless, and when you do them you need to be held accountable for that.

    We can't have a functional community if we don't.

    It means even for self-destructive shit like staying on corporate platforms, you say something. You don't have to be aggressive or demanding about it; a simple "Are you sure that's a good idea?" "You sure? You can come on Lemmy/Kbin/wherever if you change your mind. Be careful" is enough.

    You just don't like the idea that normal people hold a share of responsibility for our current situation and that's too bad, it's the truth. We can't all be perfect, but responsibility doesn't ask for people to be perfect, its demands are far more basic than that, and you don't want people to even be held to that.

    And that's dangerous, and bad for society.

  • Well, yeah. You're making a demand. You'll quibble about the semantics just so you can deny it, but people like you do this every single time anyone does something they're not supposed to be doing and I am tired of it.

    We cannot have a functional society if we do what you are telling us to. Adults are responsible for their actions and we, as a community, have a responsibility to establish standards and expectations upon our people and enforce them. In this case, with us shaking our heads at them, withholding sympathy and compassion for them, and reminding ourselves and each other that we'll suffer just like they do if we do the same stupid shit they're doing.

    It's what reasonable adults do and you're not going to convince us to stop being reasonable adults.

    If they're not capable of making good decisions for themselves like you want us to believe, then they don't belong on the Internet.

    But we don't treat people like invalids because as adults we respect the intelligence of other people. You need to learn to do the same.

  • People who think that way have such little respect for their past selves. You all were doing the best you could with the knowledge and resources you had. If you weren't, then you grew from it. Growing is what humans are supposed to be doing.

  • You could have some compassion for them though,

    One, motte and bailey.

    Two: Instead of demanding we change the way we feel about them, how about instead you either hold them accountable for their inaction, which is the only thing that will ultimately help them, or let them do what they'll do and move on, respecting the choice they made as human beings?

    Everyone on the Internet has the capability to move to another website. They're adults, not invalids, and I daresay you need to stop talking about compassion when you clearly have no clue of what respect is.

  • Enforcing rules isn't hiding opinions, it's enforcing rules, and the only way online communities can work is if there are rules regarding what someone can say and what someone can't. That's just the reality of the situation.

    Whether mods get paid enough to do it is irrelevant. They chose to be mods so it's their responsibility to actually moderate. If they don't want to, someone else should be given the chance to do it.

  • You'd be surprised the insane bullshit I've seen upvoted on this platform, come to think of it. Blatant rape apologia and shit. Even Nazis and tankies. I've been arguing people like that into the ground, and everyone seems content to leave that up to the user to downvote away, but that really is something mods should be taking care of, not us. If mods won't ban people like that, why even have them?

    Lemmy as a system is so fucked.

  • Then that's a personality issue they need to resolve, or else they'll be abused and exploited throughout their lives. And that's 100% their responsibility as adults regardless of their issues or what they're going through.