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That's not what I'm saying. I hold the Israeli government and Hamas to both be responsible in this conflict. I don't see judging who is more responsible as that productive of an exercise. More Palestinian civilians have died, but that's because Hamas actively put them in harm's way. What would you ask Israel to do, given that 1,400 of their citizens died on 10/7 and hundreds more remain hostages?

Israel's position previous to 10/7 was that they would just leave Gaza as an open air prison with Hamas in charge, though they would never like it framed that way. After 10/7, that changed. Hamas is clearly more of a threat than they envisioned and has to be exterminated.

Given that this is the general air inside of Israel, what should happen? I'm not sure they can really even back off at this point, given how far Hamas went. Unfortunately, smarter people than me don't have good answers. Part of the problem is a failure of leadership on both sides. Bibi apparently did his best back in the day to essentially legitimize Hamas while cutting the PLA out of the peace process, purposefully splitting the Palestinians. Meanwhile, Palestinian leadership is a mix of corrupt, weak, and uninspiring. Both Israelis and Palestinians deserve a new generation of better leaders, but I haven't heard of any.

And I will stand aside and let you criticize them all you want.

But there are a whole lot of people who have decided to excuse everything Hamas does and cast everything Israel does in the worst light possible. That's what I personally have a problem with. Hamas and its sponsors are despicable excuses for human beings who put slaughter Israeli civilians and put Palestinian civilians in harm's way. That needs to be fully acknowledged. At the same time, I see a lot of people in the US who are ignorant of the failure of leadership in Israel. They place all blame on Palestinians without realizing that Israel's leadership has played a role in sabotaging peace talks.

Huh, wonder why the IDF is there. Oh yeah, it's because Hamas stormed out of Gaza and specifically targeted civilians as nice soft targets.

To paraphrase someone else, it has enough should clauses to drive several favorable RV loans through.

Yeah, that was my intuition. The US has a lot of other levers to get its way, chiefly by diplomacy and leading the way in weapons donations. It would be devastating if the US was found out to have done this. A few people in Ukraine's military just makes more sense, particularly if they don't have any connection to high ranking leaders.

I see no problem with the human rights record of Qatar.

Nuclear isn't just about cost. It provides excellent baseline load power, which most low carbon sources just can't provide.

Not really. That was methane that escaped straight into the atmosphere. It was a climate disaster.

The pipeline was already completely shut down. I doubt Europe will be too keen on exposing itself to the risk that Russia poses again.

Good for the community, too. It takes a village to get rid of that astroturf group.

No, no, that's a godly incestuous drugged rape scene.

One issue the IDF has been working with for a while is the sheer amount of tunneling by Hamas. There is dense housing right on top of the tunnels. Destroying the tunnels can lead to the above buildings collapsing, as well as the damage caused by any explosives.

Will they annex and depopulate Gaza? I hope not. That's just going to create another generation of fighters itching for revenge. Grievances outlast Hamas, and they will likely find a form. That said, maybe a single state solution will be the best form of government, as long as Palestinians, Jewish Israelis, and other groups are guaranteed equal rights. The half-ass "two state" attempt right now isn't working.

That's the population of urban areas only. The population of Gaza Strip is a little over 2 million. Obviously that doesn't make the casualties any better, but I always like to work with accurate facts.

"I could solve the Ukraine-Russia war! All I need to do is force Ukraine to cede any territory that Russia claims, even if Russia doesn't occupy it. Putin surely will not come back for more after that!"

A class at a university is peanuts to someone like Clinton. She's already written multiple books. The speaking circuit pays millions for keynote speeches from people like Clinton. This whole "the Clinton's are just after money" only feeds the right wing hate machine.

Totally agree. Opponents of affirmative action, reparations, and the like will quote this: line:

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

Without doing the basic research to find that MLK Jr. was in favor of reparations. Or try to bend his words to supporting capitalism when he was more socialist (though he opposed totalitarian communism).

Don't forget posting small excerpts of larger works that completely miss the larger meaning in favor of a modern political agenda.

Greta Thunberg posed with a "Free Palestine" sign after the retaliation started. The IDF complained that she wasn't telling their side, that Israel had just been attached. Therefore, she was labeled a terrorist sympathizer. That really boils down their mentality.

It's the Star of David, used by Jews for millennia and the symbol on the flag of Israel. Of course I'm familiar with its use in the Holocaust.