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  • I'm sure it was bound to start whether it was you or not, haha. This is just one of those questions.

    I'm not even really participating as much as I am just trying to spread a bit of philosophy. I think I said this elsewhere, but people often reach for science and facts to sort questions like these long before philosophy, which I find a bit sad because it's really powerful.

  • If I'd ask you for wet water, I'd look mentally questionable.

    I think this is because water is always wet. It's a bit redundant.

    That is, unless,

    We had a lot of ice. And, "wet water" was a very silly way of asking for the melted kind. I might think you bumped your head, but I would know what you meant.

    "Is water wet" is not a complete question. I don't know what the asker's expectations are, so a satisfying answer is not really possible.

    This is not too different from the ship of theseus being a difficult, brainteasing paradox until you clarify what exactly is meant by "is the ship of theseus." "Which of these two boats is registered to me by the boat authority" is a much simpler question to answer.

  • People hide their AI usage to avoid hate -> making less people aware of the depths of what it can be used for,

    This does not follow. People who despise AI still talk about what it's capable of. In fact, they probably talk about it more.

    Actually, hate and anger spread throughout a population far more easily than genuine interest and novelty. I would think our distaste for it would actually be very helpful for propagating information about it.

    you should also know why it's a good tool for misinformation.

    Okay, you're right that it doesn't suck in that specific way. But spiritually, it sucks very much.

    You're not really talking about counter-propaganda, though, you're just talking about people... giving up the fight about it? Because it's annoying to some game devs? When does the action come?

    Keep in mind, any counter-propaganda strategy must involve its (AI's) eventual dismantling or full, legal banishment because a democracy cannot survive a technology that wears people's skin and drowns out other voices like this. Democracy cannot survive a Dead Internet.

    But really, these technologies have little to no bearing on the debate around AI,

    They do in the sense that all of them are driven by neophilia and big tent people horny for cash and power. Bitcoin would have been a paradigm shift had it been adopted by society, but it would have been a worse society. Because Bitcoin sucks.

  • While I agree that water is wet in general, I don't think this is a complete question. It's somewhat difficult to answer because I don't know what the person asking's expectations are.

    Water is wet if we're talking about how it feels to interact with and how it will make us wet too.

    Water isn't wet if we're talking about things which are supposed to be dry but aren't, like when surveying the damage after a spill.

    I don't mean to butt in if the two of you are just having fun, but this Vsauce video on the philosophy of definitions might help sort through some of the more confusing feelings.

  • water can't be covered in water.

    This seems very... arbitrary.

    What if you used food coloring? You could have some red water, and if poured carefully, and before it diffused, you could "cover" it in blue water. Certainly, there'd be no way to get to the red water without first touching the blue bits, which feels a lot like being covered by them.

  • Possibly. Some do, I'm sure.

    I see a lot of people try to answer brainteaser questions like this as if they can be driven down to some scientific ultimatum, but science can't answer questions of philosophy. "Wet" is something we made up. A towel doesn't care if it's "damp" or not. How could it?

    See my other comment if you want a link to a fun Vsauce video.

  • If you drive down far enough, I don't think "wet" even remains to be a property something can have. As was mentioned, what is wetness to an individual molecule? It must be surrounded? Are all molecules "wet" with air, then?

    "Wet" as a concept I think is really only useful to people communicating to each other what to expect. For instance, if I asked what was in the fridge, and you said "nothing", it would be weird if I came to correct you: "duh, actually, there is a speck of dust in the corner. And not only that, it's actually completely full! Of air." This is because what you meant was, "to eat."

    A "wet" towel will feel damp and watery to a person picking it up in a way almost indistinguishable from water itself, and this is enough to say that both are wet. But, if I had spilled water, and you wanted to know how many things had gotten wet—well, these are a different set of expectations, and so maybe I wouldn't count the water.

  • 1 doesn't have anything to do with liking it, though, that's just... knowing what it is. I know what it is, and I dislike it. Like a bad movie, it's really easy to do.

    It will make it easier for them to claw AI technology for themselves

    Okay, but why do we want it? What does it do for us? So what if only corporations have it: it sucks.

    Do you remember bitcoin and NFTs? Those didn't pan out very well. They were solutions looking for problems. What is it about AI that I should be excited about?

  • some tools are force multipliers in that action, and thus useful in that case.

    Sure. And removing those force multipliers from play can affect the state of the game.

    When we get enough hammer murders, then we can talk about restricting hammer use.