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I don't disagree with most of your thoughts above, but I'm not seeing a discussion of the merits or detriments of arguing in bad faith. A necessary component of bad faith arguing is the knowledge that you don't actually hold that opinion that you're defending even while claiming you do. After your first sentence in your text above you're speaking to actual beliefs that the person holds, which wouldn't be bad faith.

But I see what you are saying. It’s different and they will have to adapt.

The organization adapting may mean they simply exit that line of business if the costs/risks of training for the required staff it too high.

Those that argue in bad faith usually abandon consistency in the process. Because they don't believe in the argument they are presenting, as soon as they are proven wrong they simply pivot to a new, and likely, contradictory argument. This often occurs because their real reason for their desired outcome is abhorrent (and they are aware of that) but they argue a different reason that would have the same outcome. This is prime red meat for racists and misogynists, as an example.

On the job training. Yes, it takes time and money but it is the obvious solution.

A challenge facing many white collar jobs is that the entry level jobs are being automated away. There is no job for them to train on. The floor starts at Intermediate skill level and advances quickly to senior. The grunt work that needed to get done used to be handed to juniors. It wasn't very difficult, and it was low risk if they made mistakes. It was perfect entry work that was both necessary in that it served a productive purpose, but also allowed someone to get in the door and start working in a particular field. Technology and automation are now doing that same grunt work, so the entry level jobs are drying up and not being replaced. Its going to be a massive problem in a decade or two if the Intermediate and Senior positions are still needed and those that are in those jobs now retire or die off. This assume that the Intermediate and Senior positions don't also get automated away.

I'm not closely involved in trade jobs, but I wonder if a version of this is happening there too. One example I can think of is jobs like twisting rebar tie wire by hand for concrete work isn't technically difficult, but it is time consuming and uncomfortable.

Here's how its done by hand

However, now there are now robots that can do this work so much faster, and they don't eat, sleep, go to the bathroom, or get injured.

Here's a robot that can do it

Is this happening in other entry level trade jobs? Will there be nowhere to train on the job?

If I understand the explanation, its like when an author (or their proxies) buys thousands (millions) of copies of their own book to make them "sold" so that they can raise their standing on the "Best Seller's List".

There are already bacteria and fungi out there that show signs of breaking down plastics but at a very slow rate btw. It could function only under very specific conditions, like UV light exposure or sea water.

I wouldn't consider UV light to be specific. Sunlight has huge amounts of UV and sunlight is, well nearly everywhere. Sea water would also be a bad catalyst to choose. Lots of parts of boats and ships that come in contact with sea water (through the bilge or as sea spray) intentionally use plastic as it doesn't rust or corrode in the presence of marine environments. What you're suggesting would remove that protection.

There are already bacteria and fungi out there that show signs of breaking down plastics but at a very slow rate btw.

Sure, but we're not talking about those. You're suggesting releasing a bacteria that is being designed for industrial scale and use of rapid plastic decomposition. You don't see a difference there?

I’d like to know how else you would remove plastics from the wild.

I'm not required to provide a solution just to point out the catastrophic shortcomings of a proposed one.

No, I wouldn’t call that diplomacy.

This is why you and I aren't diplomats.

If the head of NATO is dependent upon the USA for lots of support to NATO, then it is in NATO's interest for the head of the USA to like NATO. If you know the head of the USA is incredibly shallow and you can achieve that support simply by sending an email/text message which requires zero dollars, and at best, a bit of political capital, then its a good deal for the NATO head to do that.

This is what is both fascinating and horrible about diplomacy and geopolitics. Its not about being "right" or "moral" in the moment. Its about getting what you want hopefully in service of the overall goal of of your interests. Sometimes that overall goal is "right" and "moral" in the case of NATO usually.

Why would it be random?

Perhaps I should have used the word "uncontrolled" instead of random. If you're expecting this bacteria to work against, say, a field with plastic litter in it, its going to be in contact with lots of other things made of plastic that aren't waste. If the bacteria is able to self replicate, and you've released it into the wild, you've effectively killed the use for nearly all plastics as things that are still in use will be decomposed.

We are already releasing huge amounts of artificial chemicals into the wild.

Thats a bizarre argument. That would be like saying: "We have lots of murders in the world, so why not intentionally murder more people?"

Wait, are you suggesting releasing bio-engineered bacteria that destroys plastic randomly in the wild? You don't see any practical problems that would cause?

If you're at a point where you can feed it to bacteria, you've already separated it from the environment and the waste stream, right? How else are you going to feed it to bacteria?

Not in their top tier which is more expensive

Is it only their top tier (4k+more simultaneous streams) now? Last time I was subscribed it was only the lowest tier had ads. Middle tier was ad free.

Remember popping in a CD?

It could hold up to like 15 songs!

And remember paying $20 in 1996 for that 15 song CD, and remember your heartbreak when you listen through for the first time and find out there was only the one song you knew that you really liked and maybe two others that were just okay?

Dark days indeed.

Me either, but I would have wanted a Fast Load cartridge instead, but we couldn't afford that either.

Well we went full circle. YouTube and Netflix killed the tv because they were young rebels that challenged status quo and had no ads, and ads on tv went very long. Now YouTube, Netflix and all others just went to shit because of annoying and long ads, or paying extra to skip ads, gathering of usage data, spying on users, selling data, censoring, and building huge monopolies.

I don't think your gripe is with Netflix on this. The reason they were able to offer mountains of commercial free content was because content owners didn't think "streaming licensing rights" were worth very much, so they sold them very cheaply. When content owners saw their DVD sales dry up and the started looking where their audiences went, and found them subscribing to Netflix. So when the content licensing contract renewals came up, the content owners jacked up the prices to high heaven. Netflix had the choice to either drop content or raise prices. They did a chunk of both, then again at the next renew, and again, etc.

Scripted content is generally expensive. The alternative is the dirt-cheap-to-produce "reality TV". If you wonder why you're seeing so much more "reality tv" this is why.

I'm not sure about that. With streaming prices soaring, public libraries offering DVD and Blu-ray discs are gaining popularity with families looking to tighten their financial belts.

While many plastics have a really bad reputation for recyclability, isn't HDPE (#2 plastic) one of the few stand outs that recycles very well?

Why would billionaire MAGA pay? We were told many times that the insurrectionists were antifa. So this guy must be antifa too.

Are you citing something specific, as in a toolset that has been leaked that the government is known to use with what it can retrieve or do you mean theoretically? I mean, sure, if an organization went to the extremes and desoldered the NVRAM from the phone and dumped the contents from an external reader they could likely get much more than fragments.

not a “wiped” old smart phone.

Why not a “wiped” old smart phone? What isn't wiped at a factory reset?

Iran, take a good look at the amount of military support Armenia received when reached out to Putin after an attack by Azerbaijan:

"Despite Armenia's appeals for assistance from the Collective Security Treaty Organisation (CSTO) and Russia during Azerbaijan's incursions in May 2021 and September 2022, both entities declined to assist, leaving Armenia on its own.[62][63] "

source

And Armenia was a signatory on a mutual defense agreement CSTO. Iran isn't.