pacoboyd @ pacoboyd @lemm.ee

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Hey, no skin off my back and you don't know me from Adam. Could be lying for all you know.

Some of these changes may not stick, but UI / UX is always evolving to the next thing. You have to try things to know if they are successful. I'll use the new Apple Vision Pro as a example. Apple is taking a gamble here and this is a HUGE change in UI interactions, can you imagine if they never evolved past the old iPod scroll wheel? (maybe a bad example becuaee that was a great tactile user experience). But my point is people have evolved how they use technology, it's "generally" more reliable and the under the hood stuff can be tucked away for the general user.

So I don't want this to come off as rude, but if you are using the pro version with proper workstation controls all of this is controllable. I work as a L5 engineer for the world's largest outsourcing IT provider and we don't have a single customer (from ITAR, HIPAA, Financial, Manufacturing, Pharmaceutical etc) that has been unable to move because of compliance. Some take longer to harden and move but it's 100% possible. MS knows their audience in this space and wouldn't release and OS that wasn't possible to comply. (for the MOST part, obviously things like EU antitrust has made them change some things in the past).

Self hosted searxng is where it's at. Seriously love it and have replaced my search engines on all my computers and phone.

I use this along with Vivaldi browser that will let me switch engines quickly with "search shortcuts" for those few times I need local Google results.

Thanks for this. Well put.

You may have missed where I specifically said I mentor new hires for those skills.

I mean, read your comment,

Yeah I do update them weekly almost, every time I do yay there's a new driver version, it updates and it works. No major issues besides the explicit sync but that's being fixed soon and I installed a patch so yeah.

then read this:

https://xkcd.com/2501/

It's literally comical. That's how your comment sounds to my wife. (She's smart, but she's not computer savvy)

I think we just need to agree Linux is fine for power users, but Windows is kinda always going to be for the masses and arguing against that is kind of a moo point because it's just facts that Windows (_{70%) > Linux (}4%) in OS market share. It's also facts that you can strip out almost anything out of Windows and make it work, but that's not a "for the masses" move either. So arguing that Linux is a better move than Windows because "muh customization" is again, a moo point for like 90% of people.

Edit: Changed moot to moo because it's more comical that way.

I don't disagree and I'm glad you aren't making the "it would be easier in Linux" argument.

What I do think the changes are there to encourage access to BASIC functionality for the majority of users, but it does come across as dumbing down to folks that are power users. I really do think this is a case of "what would 90% of the population use" kinda thing.

Nah, the article was something I went searching for after the fact. I guess "old" is in the eye of the beholder. My 8 year old thinks I'm old.

Just your bog standard Millennial here though. Started out with no tech growing up, and basically grew up along side and with the modern era of technology.

As for search engines, I agree, that's why I use a selfhosted SearXNG instance. It's not shoved down your throat google ads (much more akin to what google was 5 years ago or older), but TikTok surely isn't the answer for "specialists in their field", just like I wouldn't have used Vine to source specialist knowledge before that. The problem with the format is there is to much "jumping to the end" without understanding why. You literally cannot get into the "why" in short video format, it's a bit like "and now your draw the rest of the owl".

I actually feel like some of the youngest generations while "perceived" to be technical because they grew up with tech actually lack much of the deeper understanding of how that same technology works. This is gonna sound very much "in my day we had to walk uphill both ways" kinda thing, but we did actually have to struggle with technology growing up. If you wanted it to work, you had to frequently do it yourself, and figure out why something wasn't working with out reddit or online forums sourcing thousands of technical people. I use those skills to this day and it's a skill I try and mentor into new hires at work.

I recall once early in my career, I caught a co-worker attempting to perform a change on a server for a Fortune 500 financial company using instructions on a webpage that looked like it was from a 1990's Geocities website (this was probably 2012, so not sure where he even found it!). I slammed his workstation closed so fast and walked him into a conference room. Being "old" doesn't mean out of touch, but it does often mean wiser.

Edit: Also, not sure where you got that I'm against google pay, venmo, paypal, square, amazon pay or any of those apps, I have them all installed on my phone. What I AM saying is that those apps are at risk to people who root their phones and install applications from sketchy sources. My point about kids using their phones at vending machines was to prove they are probably MORE at risk because they don't understand the hows or whys to what they did when they rooted their phone and installed Minecraft (or any game!) from a sketchy crack page.

I think you probably fall into that 3% I talked about in my other comment. I bet you know how to block apps from detecting root too, so probably not a good faith argument.

I'm not saying that they did it because a TikTok told them too, I'm saying its because that's how a lot of the younger generation happens to search.

Just one example:

https://www.businessinsider.com/nearly-half-genz-use-tiktok-instagram-over-google-search-2022-7

I for one, would NOT trust some rando 30 second clickbait video telling me how to root my phone, but you can sure as shit bet that a ton of school aged children are doing that to play some cracked APK they got from a sketchy website because their parents wouldn't buy them a 99c game.

Those same kids have bank and google pay apps setup on their phone so they can make purchases when they are out and about. I see kids using their phone for vending machine purchases ALL THE TIME.

Edit: Since this is a meme community, little bit of rage bait for ya: All the TikTokers coming out with the downvotes :)

Can't tell if this is serious question or not, but for the end user. Lemmy is a bit of a technical microcosm, so while we might not want protection from ourselves, the MAJORITY of people out there are not technically savvy. So while not everyone has a linux workstation (lets assume 2-3% based on some reporting) Android has an approximate 70% worldwide market share. So that means the VAST majority of people running Android probably can't be trusted to plug in a toaster correctly. This is the same reason there are guiderails on roads with steep embankments.

Cheers mate!

Recommended space isn't for ads, it's for newly installed programs. It might show some icons there like Spotify when the OS is installed, but once you remove them they are gone. New "ads" don't show up later.

If you want less space dedicated to recently installed (recommendations) change the start menu density to "More Pins"

It's just a different way of doing / labeling. Old start menu had "recently installed" this is the same as "recommend"

Edit: I'll make an admission here, it looks like I had the "Show recommendations for tips, shortcuts, new apps, and more" turned off. But as a point of fact, I did that inadvertently as part of my normal debloat process.

Edit 2: Seems there is a local / group policy setting to remove the recommendation section completely if that's your jam. I personally prefer to see my new apps there for a bit.

Edit 3: I feel like your comment about working against the system is even more comical considers you are talking about Linux. Ever tried to get nvidia drivers working on Linux? Ever tried updating once they were working? Linux is litterally the poster child of working against the system. If you don't like how it's setup out of the box, sure it's changeable, but how long did you work on the changes to get it flawless. I would wager there is jank you have just decided to put up with because after a week you said "good enough". There is a reason 90% of my Linux systems don't even run a GUI.

Let's be real here. Folks running Linux as thier desktop have a high chance of knowing what they are actually doing. Folks with rooted android phones have a high chance of having watched a 12 year old tell them how to root thier phone on TicTok. Which of these groups is participating in the more risky activity?

Ah yes, the "not easily done" crowd saying "just move to Linux". Lot easier to remove those items than for most folks to learn a whole new platform.

Me thinks Lemmy isn't great at representing the larger world. Lots of tech folks here.

All removable.

Classic right click menu is a regkey away.

Classic control panel is still there too.

I have 4 monitors, task bar on all of them, not sure why yours doesn't. Apps even go to the appropriate task bar per monitor when minimized.

Suggested apps size can be minimized.

They only show you "ad" apps on first boot, otherwise gone once you remove them.

Me thinks you just like to complain lol

I'll probably get down voted to oblivion, but I remember EVERYONE had the same "I'll never move" rhetoric with Windows 7, and before that Windows XP. Ya'll eventually move.

I've moved 3 of my 6 windows boxes from 10 to 11 and it's not that much different. I just debloat the stuff I don't want and move on. Even that isn't different, ya'll remember nlite? We've been ripping crap we didn't want out of the OS for as long as I can remember.

Hell, I even remeber getting doublespace.exe off my old dos 5 disks so I could use it on my dos 6 and Windows 3.1.1 install. People who use Windows are just more used to tearing down what they don't want rather than building up what they do (*nix). Is it harder these days...marginally...is there more to remove...yup. But it's still the same crap we've always done.