oshitwaddup @ oshitwaddup @lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz

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BuT tHeY lIvEd A gOoD lIfE fIrSt

Basic empathy for fellow sentient beings

Yep, and this is where we start getting to the limits of my knowledge and the weeds of politics. Generally speaking i think as a species we have a lot of jobs that don't need to exist or shouldn't exist, and a lot of people who would be left in poverty without them (and many who already are in poverty simply because there are more people than profitable things to do). I think there has got to be some way of meeting everyone's basic needs without a pretty binary choice of working a traditional job or living in poverty, but exactly what that looks like idk. I have some ideas, but they're probably not worth getting into here/now

No problem, and i wouldn't say you're dumb about these things. More accepting of injustice than i'd like maybe, but not dumb. I couldn't find those numbers on their site, how much is it?

Ok, mind your own business when it comes to nonhuman animals. Paying to have them exploited and killed is the opposite of minding your own business, it's forcing your views onto them, and i'm here to tell you stop forcing your speciesist views onto innocent nonhuman animals

Many anti-lgbtq+ folks think that people who support or are a part of the lgbtq+ are insufferable, but here we are making progress for peoples rights.

If you want to be a bigot against nonhuman animals and their rights, i can't stop you. But at least be aware that that's what's happening. People perpetuating injustice are never going to be happy with those against it no matter how it's presented, so i'd rather just be as clear and concise as I can

Sorry, i didn't word that well. Funding the killing is still a big ethical issue, and trying to find different jobs for those people is an important thing to do, since there's also a good chance they'd rather not do that if they had better options. For example, iirc ptsd rates are high among slaughterhouse workers

another major funder of animal agriculture is the US government, which is why i support the agricultural fairness alliance which lobbies against unethical farming and in favor of transitioning animal farmers to plant farming https://agriculturefairnessalliance.org/

When an innocent victim is being harmed, silence is siding with the oppressor

Ok, so lets stop breeding them first. Stop paying people to force them to get pregnant.

Ideally we'd be able to release them into the wild or have sanctuaries for them, but that's just not really possible. But if we stopped forcing more of them into existence then the remaining ones would all be killed pretty fast, which is far better than them and their children and their childrens children, and so on for the foreseeable future being killed.

More realistically, if animal liberation is achieved the population of farmed animals will gradually decline as fewer people support animal ag until there are only a few of them left, on sanctuaries or reserves or something, or they go extinct

Maybe take another step back and recognize that many people who were tortured by the nazis see the similarities to animal agriculture and are actively against it

Edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_analogy_in_animal_rights

"Perhaps the earliest use of the analogy comes from Edgar Kupfer-Koberwitz, a German concentration camp survivor and journalist, who wrote in 1940 in his "Dachau Diaries" from inside the Dachau Concentration Camp that "I have suffered so much myself that I can feel other creatures' suffering by virtue of my own".[4][5] He further wrote, "I believe as long as man tortures and kills animals, he will torture and kill humans as well—and wars will be waged—for killing must be practiced and learned on a small scale".[4]"

You're the ones hurting innocent animals almost entirely for pleasure or convenience. Someone innocent getting hurt completely unnecessarily is good reason to cause a ruckus

I have no moral problem eating a human or nonhuman if they're already dead. Kinda weird but whatever. The issue comes when you are the one who took their life from them without consent.

We're meat robots worth moral consideration, because we're sentient. If a metal robot was sentient they'd be worth moral consideration as well, since they could experience what was done to them.

We're a social species, i think it's worth voicing dissent. Let them know that what they've been doing should change and that other people think they're doing something terrible. Get them to reflect on it more deeply and see if they're really ok with hurting others for the sake of convenience and taste and if they are, they should know that about themself rather than living in ignorance

Not just on reddit, it's spreading here 🤢 https://lemmy.world/comment/1420816

animals in the wild do a lot of unethical shit

Watch dominion while you eat

Does pleasure justify killing someone sentient?

You'd be surprised how many people don't make the connection that nonhumans aren't just flesh robots. Also a basic syllogism:

• Causing unnecessary suffering is wrong
• nonhuman animals are sentient, the things we do to them cause them to suffer in huge numbers at an industrial scale
• it's unnecessary to eat them, we can thrive on a plant based diet (in fact, the environmental impact of animal ag means we're making ourselves less likely to thrive in the future if we keep eating them)
• therefore, eating them causes huge amounts of unnecessary suffering
• therefore, eating them is wrong

No, just supposed to let them live

When someones dietary choice causes huge amounts of needless suffering and death to the victim (the innocent animal that was exploited and killed) then that's not "fine". That's a serious injustice that should be pointed out (at the very least)

That's just morally-superior brained, based, and basic-empathy-pilled

Did you read the rule?