Ook the Librarian @ ook_the_librarian @lemmy.world

My namesake is a human librarian that was turned into an orangutan. All he

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I'm scared to ask what I spoiled when I read that.

Red wire or blue wire? This ain't the movies! It will not magically work out in the end.

Would that make the next line "ta meg på"? Does that have a meaning?

Guess I'll be sucking the dick of the person who is technically the youngest person I've met.

Since knock_knock is too demure to show graphic content here, I will share the photo. These are the words above the photo in the document

Warning: some of these are pretty weird/sexual, probably best not to view at work

We might as well start with this picture of a girl taped to a table, which is probably the most widely referenced one.

THIS is the "most widely referenced" picture of all the pizzagate allegations. THIS is why it's like pulling teeth to get a pizzagater to make ONE real claim. The emperor has no clothes. They are so proud of a mountain of nothing.

There is no one who is credibility alleged to have explicit material of this child. It is at this point where I am expected to appear to ask for this material. This could be a crime. Be careful. Look how fast this reply was locked-and-loaded.

Can do you have a picture where she isn’t smiling?

So it’s not abuse if they enjoy it? Heard of normalisation?

If you think that question is void now due to that retort, you are mistaken. Anyone reading along can see the photo now. You really should have tried to get ahead of that. I bet no one was picturing masking tape with the picture you created in words.

I have showed the only evidence provided that this child exists. Are there alleged to be other materials of this child that are objectionable? Is this a victim?

Virginia Giuffre was a victim who came forward.

Only as a middle aged woman. Kids in the Instagram photos would now barely be over 10. You can’t use their silence as evidence.

"You can't use their silence as evidence." What? They sound exactly like nonexistent victims. There must be a difference between real victims and nonexistent victims. Silence is clearly not a good measurement. Are there any other methods to look for them?

any pundit that “bunks” pizzagate talking-points that also said anything about Epstein

Sorry. Not a claim or a point I’m defending.

I know this isn't a claim. It's a point worth discussing. There are people in our society whose job is gain the trust of people by showing integrity. They are called journalists. A journalist knows that if a reader catches the whiff of dishonesty, they lose that reader permanently.

So a journalist with a long, track-able career is who is best equipped to make such sensitive accusations. This is usually how rings would get busted. So who is putting their career on the line for this? Is Mike Cernovich the point-person on these matters? These accusations are dangerous. Your dismal of that is sickening, but I'll come back to that later.

I’m not even sure what “claims of debunking” you even mean.

It means the claimer is 100% sure that a particular theory is false

This is the worst framing of epistemology I've seen. You are quite literally turning every argument in a "confidence game". Surely you see that the world can't function like that.

But I will give you this, you finally connected the dots in a way that I see how pizzagate is real.

We've had too many exchanges before I finally can see what pizzagate actually is.

Pizzagate: The believe that real world damage can be caused simply by never admitting any harmless explanations regardless of plausibility.

The fucked up thing here, is that with this formulation, Pizzagate is true.

1.) The only thing that little girl's guardians did was upload a photo of the aftermath of child's play.

2.) Now, 4chan enters the scene. 4chan and reddit simply make up ANYTHING they want to accuse these people of. Consequence free. There is no journalist in the loop. There are no stakes. You get federal authorities to harass strangers. And you are proud of it.

3.) THEN this visit is now "evidence". You keep pointing to police action, like it's suspicious, but 4chan did that shit. I don't know who you are fooling, but it isn't me.

These three dots are what you connected. You have convinced me it's real. It's scary. It's sick that people would do this.

You can claim it's about protecting kids, but there have been no rescues or even calls for help.

Here's from Wikipedia

On December 4, 2016, Edgar Maddison Welch, a 28-year-old man from Salisbury, North Carolina, arrived at Comet Ping Pong and fired three shots from an AR-15 style rifle that struck the restaurant's walls, a desk, and a door.

Welch was there to liberate victims. Who did he avenge? Who is lucky that Welch was there to listen to the cries of help that 4chan told him exist?

I find this stuff dangerous, and it's usually best discussed in a more focused group.

We are discussing 8 year old emails and Instagram posts. Not planning an insurrection.

Three bullets are what I'm calling dangerous, sicko. You know what is happening. You know the bullets were real.

You seem very proud that the feds were sent to investigate this. That seems to be a claim of victory. It's disturbing. There was no foundation. You just hate these people. It's unpleasant to say the least. You're proud you can imagine such horrible things happening. You don't even need proof. And you just want the world to hate these people like you do, and based on as flimsy shit as you accept as proof.

I'm done here. Pizzagate sucks. You can come bother me at /c/knowledgefight.

It makes you wonder what else is on the camera roll and which shitposts will unlock its secrets.

I believe this caused when two dogs poop "lady and the tramp" style.

They interviewed a child that was taped to a table, huh?

You have made NO claims whatsoever. You asked what I thought. I said it was nothing. All you've said is everything that I say is wrong. I have no idea what you think pizzagate is.

So now that you FINALLY made a claim. Let's talk about the girl taped to a table. Does this girl have a name? A picture. Please post the instagram of this poor child taped to a table. I bet the picture will send chills though all the spines of those that see it. POST THE PICTURE! Or I will. You certainly have provided me evidence of a child taped to a table. Can do you have a picture where she isn't smiling?

Was she interviewed by the FBI? Is that your big, scary evidence? The thing that should open my eyes. Please provide evidence of this child that was taped to table. That's a pretty BIG claim. Do you have a picture? I mean, I have one that you showed me. It had a warning above it how disturbing the picture is. Would you post so everyone can see how scary it is?

All you've said about pizzagate, is that I don't know what pizzagate is. Is it that a child was taped to a table?

Have you tried Buffalo Rock ginger ale? I'm pretty sure it was a civil war era tonic. They still sell it in parts of Mississippi. It hurts to drink, but mixes well with bourbon.

I mostly drink water/seltzer, but I love grapefruit Jarritos.

That disney thing made me feel a lot more comfortable. It feels like Trump would have his cult ralley and possibly hurt disney's valuation somehow. Everyone either laughed or tried to get people to look away. Competent fascist, indeed.

You said you'd listen to the podcast. I'm going to hold you to it. It's a comedy show. And pizzagate is ridiculous. But you offered to argue their points. "they're mean to my friends" isn't going to cut it.

The best evidence for your claim is that link? Please read the FIRST paragraph and let's discuss the reading level of The Emperor's New Clothes.

I've read it pretty deeply now. You better start connecting some dots. There is too much secret sourcing.

I'm not even sure what "claims of debunking" you even mean. What even are the claims of pizzagate? That the emails are boring, but if you squint, you can pretend it's a conspiracy. It's the least interesting thing I've heard. What's to engage with? There are no bodies. No victims. The crimes alleged must have victims. What court is going to convict anybody on these charges with no victims? Have the jury squint at instagram pics? Please give your argument some grounding.

I am not afraid of a lack of victims. The existence of victims would blow this wide open.

Please tell me of a historical case (aka in reality) where a pedo ring was busted with no known victims.

I love that show. Although I'm admittedly a lapsed fan, I was listening to them on my walks to grad school in 2013 or so.

Incidentally, I love looking for Ross Blocher's name in Pixar credits.

So digging way back in the memory machine, I can even remember hearing Carrie on the inKredulous podcast #014 from 2012. I think that might be when I started listening to her and Ross's show.

That show was from what I consider the glorious lo-fi days of podcasting. I'm not even going to listen back to it to see if it holds up before posting.

He did call it the highlight of his day.

Wow. I never thought about this. I doubt there will be a time anytime soon where I'd be ok voting for a president who isn't fluent in english. I'd almost be ok with a grammar test including diagramming sentences from the Constitution.

But since I'm a liberal I'd accept the test also being done in a relevant First Nation's language.

I'm getting info-dumped by a pizzagater elsewhere in this thread in case you want to join the fun. I bet you're better equipped.

It's silencers all the way down.

While I don't find it particularly endearing that you are trying to dunk on a guy that is admittedly not engaged in the topic, I'll bite

the body of the thread a posted on c/knowledgefight,

I’ll take a listen to the podcast, but I think you are right in that it’s only tangentially relevant. Although it’s existence shows the topic won’t die easily.

Personally, I think we should move the conversation there since posting here feels like you're trying to get more eyeballs on this stuff. I find this stuff dangerous, and it's usually best discussed in a more focused group.

I don't recall calling the episode tangentially relevant. It contains the best evidence I've heard for Pizzagate.

I'll be honest, I have no idea what that last sentence ("Although...") is supposed to mean. These things won't die easily because there is nothing that will ever stop people like Alex Jones screaming that Democrats drink baby blood. People believe him, and are loud about it. The fact that an idea shows no signs of dying out is not going to get me to believe it. (I'm a Taurus, after all.)

No victims coming forward.

Such a bad argument. Are you expecting an abused kid to file a police report? Look at Epstein’s Virginia Giuffre who is now 40! At least the guardian’s of the kids in the Instagram photos should have been questioned.

Bad argument? At least engage with it. You ask me to look to Epstein's Virginia Giuffre. Who as you know, was a victim who came forward. This is the kind of evidence I'm asking for.

Please, and I mean it, please I want to see it, show me any pundit that "bunks" pizzagate talking-points that also said anything about Epstein before Giuffre's public assertions.

There are no victims in pizzagate. What are you doing bringing Epstein into this? He was brought down by victims coming forward. The lack of evidence is no reason to point fingers.

No suspicious activity.

There was enough to send 4chan and reddit into a frenzy. I think you mean that there was no definitive proof.

Oh lordy. Was I dismissive of things that sent 4chan and reddit into a frenzy? I'm sorry. That must sting a bit. That is your best evidence so far.

The only thing interesting about pizzagate is how strongly people can hold on to beliefs with zero backing.

I thought the most interesting thing was how hard the pushback was. Pizza owners on the news, 10 min features on Colbert, NYT and Rolling Stone articles, banning of subreddits and censoring of search results. Try to find the steemit article I linked above. There was a well organised PR campaign against “nothing”.

We're both just stating our opinions here. But I thought the pushback was perfectly inline. How else do you reach the kind of people who believe things based whatever they hear from pundits claiming to have secret knowledge?

I suspect some of the conclusions being drawn from highly circumstantial evidence were too close to the truth for some influential people’s comfort.

That's very vague and spooky. Does it have a meaning?

I’m sure 99% of posts about pizzagate are LARPing really.

Initially all politicians were suspected (e.g. Hastert is republican). It turned into a right wing topic after qanon stoked the fires.

Wow. Bold of you to bring up another known pedophile. His downfall was the FBI seeing suspicious cash withdrawls. So who was that money going to? That's right, a verified victim of molestation by Denny Hastert. You known, one of the (sorry to call them) characters I'd like to see in this pizzagate accusation. You only get to call Hastert a pedophile because a victim came forward.

And qanon stoking fires is another conspiracy point I will simply not engage with. Qanon is too unfounded for me.

In fact, I’d go as far as to say, the fact there is no evidence backing it up is precisely why this stuff is so dangerous.

True. On the other hand, vigilantism occurs when the police say they’ve investigated but actually haven’t. (Sorry impossible to back this statement in 2024. If you doubt me, find some official DC police reports unrelated to the gunman attack)

I live in America. That investigation went as far as it could before violating the rights of a private business owner. Your parry here truly shows how dangerous this is.

However, out in the dangerous part of the world, no one cares about this. It’s so fucking easy to dismiss this stuff. Why would anyone believe it?

It happened in Belgium, UK, France, Portugal etc. People there cared. Why not also in the US?

I'm sorry. I was being metaphorical here. When I said "out in the dangerous part of the world", I was speaking for the POV of the fictional infowarrior. By the dangerous part of the world, I simply meant reality. Where people do not engage with these fear-mongers who actually proclaim that Democrats drink the blood of babies. Reality is where these baseless ideas and beliefs make one feel isolated. This is last I will engage here as I feel I'm being quoted out of context.

This feels like persecution, gaslighting, and like “they” are all in on it.

Podesta and Alefantis have certainly been persecuted by the Internet. And probably still are being 8 years later. Their no comment policy certainly backfired.

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. It sounds like you are bragging about making peoples lives miserable based on nothing.

You sound like you're trying to convince me of something. I only asked a question. Just to be clear, is your answer "no"?