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Psychopaths can just as well have morality systems… they will just look very different from yours.

Morality is ideological definition of right or wrong. To you, scamming someone might be wrong. To a psychopath, getting money from a sucker who’s less smart/strong/awesome than you is right.

Might makes right is a moral system… it might be “imoral” to you, but it’s a moral system nonetheless.

What you suppose is your “internal” morality compass is an “internalised” one.

I wouldn’t kill my grandma because I love her, not because it’s “wrong”. I won’t kill anyone, I guess, because I don’t like seeing living beings suffer. Not because it’s “wrong”.

Morality is always an internalised “system”. It can’t be “natural”, it’s always ideological.

But that doesn’t mean that being materialistic in analysis of our existence as humans would make you do “evil” things. If you try to analyse us as a species scientifically, we realise that we literally evolved to cooperate and be nice to each other. Our chemistry makes that necessary. We hate being alone and seeing those around us suffer, because those things produce “feel bad” chemicals. We love helping each other because that produces “feel good” chemicals. On average of course (as you mention psychopaths do exist).

In fact, a purely material analysis of us would show that greed, individualism, destroying the planet, killing all animals on it, making large portions of our species to suffer in poverty etc. are counterproductive. Those things all make us individually feel worse and have worse lives. We would have the best lives if everyone around us had access to all amazing developments of the past centuries freely, if the animals and ecosystems of the world were protected, if the people around us cared about us and lived with us, not despite us. And none of that is moral, or based on morality. Just science and materialism.

Ok? Not sure what you mean by this hahaha

morality noun principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour. "the matter boiled down to simple morality: innocent prisoners ought to be freed"

There isn’t much of a distinction between ethics and morality. Ethics is mostly spoken of as a philosophical question, and morality as an ideological one. Ethics is usually associated with the ancient Greeks, and morality to Christianity.

What I mean is that if we allow external entities and “authorities” to dictate to us what is right or wrong (an ideology, the Pope, a philosopher we like etc.), we aren’t living materially and objectively, but ideologically. We are being controlled by externalities.

Bro….. you can’t have a functioning democracy with an anti-democratic party freely participating in it. If a party’s explicit goal is to end democracy, they really SHOULDN’T be allowed to participate in democracy at all.

Paradox of tolerance and all…

Democracy shouldn’t be a free-for-all, where warlords can win enough votes to conquer the world. That is insane.

Yup! Doing things because some moral authority decided it was “right” is dumb as fuck and I’ll die on that hill.

What a lack of material analysis does to a mfer and all etc. etc.

That has nothing to do with morality. You don’t help people because it’s right. We help each other because we literally evolved to be social animals. Our biology in many ways depends on others. We feel individually sad and bad if we are isolated. And we feel good when we help others and see that people around us are doing well.

Morality has not been present throughout our evolutionary or even social history. Moralism only became an essential part of society after Christianity and other religions like it took over.

Things being “wrong” or “right” don’t help us really, materially. In fact, it’s mostly been used to control people and keep them in-line. After all, who decides what’s “moral”?

But also, morality does fuck all to help you survive. Morality is absolutely useless for an individual, much to the contrary.

Cause capitalism was born with the Big Bang and will die with the heat death of the universe right buddy? Lmao.

You are very naive if you think fairphone is trying to “do good”. They are, like every single corporation under capitalism, trying to make a profit. They found a niche and are carving their market share within it. If they could, they would become Apple. If you don’t think so, again, you’re being naive.

Huuummm but then I feel the word horny has different meanings for us. I’m not horny for pleasure, I’d say. I’m horny for things I’m sexually attracted to. And I feel pleasure in indulging in that. The horniness is not for the pleasure, it’s a feeling that represents that sexual attraction.

How would you describe being “horny for your own pleasure”?

I hope I’m not coming off like a dick, I’m just genuinely curious I swear 😆

It doesn’t matter if they are “bad” or not bro. The issue is the system. And it’s not a matter of morality. I don’t give a fuck if it’s “evil” or “good”. Even in a perfect capitalist world where all companies were “fair”something, we would still be destroying the planet with climate change and exploiting the labour of people in the third-world.

And who cares about “perfect”? I only care about meaningful change that helps not destroy the planet. Buying a fairphone is not it.

The only thing that will help is a fucking revolution. So the BEST thing any of us can do is to radicalise those around us and organize.

There are no “good” brands under capitalism. The issue is not of the moral failing of individual companies. We can’t solve the issues of capitalism by “consuming” right.

You think fairphone have no slave-labour rare-earth metals in them?

“Vuvuzela communist hell hole” 😭💀

All of Venezuela’s policies since Hugo Chavez would be considered at most center-left in most of Europe. Venezuela is at most a social-democratic country with a lot of populism.

And you talk about China when saying “communism” doesn’t work? Bro, China never said it was communist first of all, and China isn’t working? Are you insane? China is by far the country with the biggest increase in quality of life and purchasing power in the world. Have you even seen a Chinese city nowadays?

When China sucks it’s communist, but when it’s the fastest growing, strongest economy in the world it’s capitalist?

And CUBA? Bro a country that has been basically under economic siege for the past 60 years and STILL has better health outcomes than the US?? The country with the most sustainable economy in the planet? The country that just last year passed democratically the most progressive constitution in the history of humanity??

You are a brainwashed liberal, like so many of the shitheads I’ve met that left Venezuela. You have 0 material analysis, it’s all vibes and ideology and parroting US think tank talking points. You don’t understand the reality of your own fucking country AT ALL.

It really doesn’t matter… there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Just use what’s more practical or better in any way for you.

Buffet avoided and skirted taxes (legally). Him saying he “should be taxed more” is just moral fronting. He could easily pay more taxes if he wants. He just has to stop using all the extremely expensive tax lawyers that move his money around dozens of companies in tax havens….

100% right-wing. It’s a bandaid solution to capitalism, to keep it going after mass unemployment and proletarization.

Left-wing is anti-capitalism (don’t even come at me Americans, seriously). UBI is capitalism.

Honest question, if you are ace but also very horny, what are you horny about..? What makes you horny? This seems a bit contradictory to me.

I’m not ace, and I feel horny about things I’m sexually attracted to. I can’t imagine feeling horny for other things?

I smoke a joint around 1h before bed, I lay down, watch some unfathomably long video about something dumb (a bad game, Elon musk, the UK etc.), then I fall asleep, wake up an hour later to my computer playing the weirdest fucking thing, close the lid and go back to sleep. Works wonders.

Imo spending the effort to educate people instead of cracking down on sellers or producers makes much more sense.

In a world with clean accessible morphine, no drug user will seek our fentanyl, no matter how easy it is to find.