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  • -said the man, still following the woman

  • nope. you are just stubborn

  • wow. you already made it clear you dont understand what evidence is for or how things are proven. its no surprise you dont understand science and theories. newton was not wrong. his physics are for a different scope than einstein physics.

  • No it's not the crux. Avoiding danger to protect their lives is pretty good proof.

    A man follows a woman and she runs away.

    The man: "she could still wanna have sex"

    Maybe you'd be better seeing all the animals that mourn deaths of others.

  • You're one to talk. No you said "you cant prove" like a million times

  • Do you wish to feel pain, or be murdered? Probably not, so why would you do it to someone else with the capacity to feel pain and desire to live? Empathy is the basis.

  • no, you are just the only one stupid enough to think its unprovable

  • if you saw a human from a tribe who spoke a language you would never understand, how do you know they feel pain and want to live? if you kick a dog, how do you know the dog didn't enjoy it? maybe people who are asleep dont feel pain or want to live. lets just eat people in comas, or who speak other languages, and lets beat dogs because its so unclear whether they like it or not

    Animals must just run from danger because the wind pushes them that way. Wonder why dogs wag their tails when they see humans. Strange. Nah no proof they have desires or fears

  • the only one saying these phrases is you.

  • you are misusing a definition. its like using newtonian physics for large scale systems. newton wasnt wrong but his equations aren't great for talking about galaxies and black holes.

  • you are the one acting like a ten year old rn

  • once again, called your point stupid. you are making shit up

  • this makes this conversation impossible to keep track of. you're just spamming my inbox

  • i didnt say i don't agree with them. I'm saying your are overanalyzing the definition. this whole argument is opinion, everything is going to be anecdotal...

  • well they don't have fucking brains lol. why would an oyster evolve the capacity to suffer and fear and desire to live when they literally don't control where they move? it would be a waste of energy. an oyster's nervous system is about as complex as your finger...

  • Source: I'm a vegan and interact with other vegans...

  • Perfect, now we can agree the vegan society is just an organization