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  • Since it's inception, putting a genocide on the jews has been a stated goal of Hamas. They glorified those that put this into practice. The only reason they haven't been as effective as the zionists is their lack of respective capability. But don't ever doubt they are evil

  • You're pretty delusional if you think every drop of oil can be traced back in such an active conflict. You should read up on more sources and you'll see everyone was buying cheap oil from the intermediaries. You could say Assad was funding ISIS with Russian support, but it's a pretty useless statement once you know where it comes from

  • It's weird your source is saying Israel was mostly buying ISIS oil, while the FT article they heavily draw from actually says most of it was coming out of Kurdish territories, with the funds being used for Peshmerga forces fighting against ISIS

    Taking all reporting into account it looks like all the produced oil going through Turkish traders with nobody down the chain caring who they're funding

  • Well, if you want me to prove that some ultra-zionists chased a Palestinian family of their land in the West-Bank today because the latter had genocided them there yesterday, I agree that that is not the case.

    But I hope to make you understand that this is still all part of a larger religious conflict. This isn't something that suddenly started in 1947. Your claim that they were all living happily together until the 1940's is too broad, and quite wrong.

    There are plenty of examples of how jews were discriminated against, small and large, ancient and recent. I agree that in the relatively sparsely populated Palestininan territories themselves, there wasn't very much enmity. And that was probably one of the reasons the zionist movement chose it.

    The first large waves of immigrants came from Russia and Eastern Europe because of the genocidal religious discrimination they faced there. Later those who experienced the same under catholic and islamic majorities, with the nazis taking the crown, followed suit.

    And it's not like the local muslim population welcomed this stream of immigrants. They themselves were expecting to come out of the Ottoman empire, and later Mandatory Palestine, with an islamic Arab state (where they would remain first class citizens). This led to the first larger clashes following WW1 resulting in both sides polarizing and militarizing, and the creation of Haganah and Irgun. And they're still fighting the same fight today. Was it 'wrong' for all those jews to migrate there? Perhaps. Was it 'wrong' for the local muslims not to welcome them? Perhaps. But the history isn't as one sided as you describe it.

  • You're conflating and misrepresenting two of the examples I gave. I wonder why.

    I gave you the link these examples come from five posts up. If you can't be bothered to spend five minutes reading that, why are you so invested in this conflict (and discussion)?

    Here's a bonus one to quench your thirst for whataboutism, from the same article:

    He compelled them to wear distinguishing garments, with a very noticeable yellow cloth for a head-covering; from that time forward the clothing of the Jews formed an important subject in the legal regulations concerning them.

  • So you think historians are lying about what happened under, for instance, the Almohads?

    It's about your bs claim that jews were generally having a great time living under islamic regimes

    Ironically you pointing towards the nazis is the whataboutism here

  • If you don't see having to choose between conversion or death, with hundreds of thousands killed, as genocide, what would you call it?

    What about being killed in the street for wearing shoes as a jew?

    What about legally being allowed to genocide jews because one was rumoured to have struck a muslim woman?

    That's a strange idea of religions living peacefully together

  • Yeah, I think this idea comes from not really knowing much history then.

    As long as there are different religions, there's been religious beef.

    Jews living as minorities in predominantly islamic countries have experienced this by various degrees. Islamic law demands that they always be treated as second class citizens and, to no surprise, they have. And in certain periods in certain places, this was spiced up with some forced conversion or genocide.

    Read up on this for a nice example. It's like claiming black African slaves had a nice life in the US until some troublemakers started demanding equal rights.

    The mass migration towards Palestine and zionist efforts to create a majority jewish state there aren't a pinnacle of humanity, but it's important to know where it comes from