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You've been duped!

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Racism aside, if I offered someone to help pay for a funeral, I'd choke in my coffee too if I the bill said $60.000 .

How expensive do you think he'd want his own funeral to be?

Sure, but people that pull this argument almost always refuse to look at history from the Israeli side. I'm leaving out the pro-Arab arguments for this purpose but bear with me for what is always conveniently forgotten when lemmings say "they deserved it":

The Gaza strip only came under Israeli control in '67, so in reality the 80 years you mention are 56 years.

From '67 to '91, people could travel freely between Gaza and Israel. After the violence of the First Intifada, this changed, and Israel started requiring personal permits to make sure people coming to Israel had legitimate business there.

The escalations in violence led to the Oslo accords. Groups like Hamas and Islamic Jihad vowed to continue the violence until Israel was destroyed, and torpedoed the accords from their side with a series of deadly suicide bomb attacks on public buses in Israel. This led Israel to further tighten the border checkpoints.

Israel withdrew from within Gaza and following the 2007 takeover by Hamas, practically closed the border except for work and medical reasons.

The blockade mostly stopped ground attacks, but Hamas switched their MO to firing missiles. This led to Egypt and Israel progressively tightening their blockade to stop these weapons from being smuggled into Gaza. And Israel to work on a very expensive missile defense, and Israelis living within rocket distance to have to run to shelters almost daily.

And as the daily rocket attacks didn't bring any improvement for Hamas, they planned for the oct 7 attacks.

As I said the above story is onesided, but when I ask someone what else Israel should have done to stop Hamas from wanting to destroy them, the answer always boils down to "don't exist".

Those are all valid points, most of which I can agree with. But that doesn't mean that Hamas was helping us build a better world when they went on their killing and kidnapping spree. They wanted to restart the hostilities and that's not some noble goal that should make us lie about what they did or act like they're not responsible for the deaths of those they took.

the humanitarian values that religion supposedly have

you have been duped

How many of these people do you think would be dead if Hamas hadn't kidnapped them?

They've gone way past self defense and managed to kill more of the hostages than hamas has.

How many of the dead hostages would you say Hamas is responsible for?

The Council of Europe is a bunch of wanks that'd declare their own grandmother a genocide if they'd think it'd help Ukraine without them having to actually lift a finger

Only the parents that allow their children to do it though

Players with less brain mass and more fluid are the future picks as soon as we correctly factor in medical costs

Tiny bit less money involved

Currently this jolly fella

Who else should they negotiate with? He was apparently their top dawg regarding both their military as well as the hostages

Mind to share which mysterious country is that wants to send its military despite, well, not doing so?

Do you think every NATO country is willing to join open war with Russia?

Do you think even one is?

So you want to give them a home, but not the means to defend it?

'Sandy' should have stayed on the sand

Makes him more pleasant to look at actually