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You’re using these labels against me because you want to bully me into being quiet. Because unless someone expresses the same fanatical and extremist beliefs then they’re a bigot. You’re a bigot.

An academic field means that its work is to introduce ideas which can be made accessible at all levels of education. Like how math is taught at all levels.

CRT is an academic field, it’s not just a “college course”.

Educators were proposing to teach CRT concepts in middle school or younger before that idea got shot down.

DEI is fine by itself, but the CRT connection tainted it. But some of the climate justice aspects of DEI are troubling to some because they’re worried that it’s just another way to stop their country from achieving its goals.

Climate Justice & DEI Climate justice refers to the intersection of environmental concerns and social justice. It recognizes that the impacts of climate change disproportionately affect marginalized communities, including people of color, low-income individuals, and indigenous populations. Climate justice recognizes that these communities often face the greatest vulnerability to environmental hazards, lack access to resources and opportunities, and bear the brunt of environmental degradation caused by systemic inequalities. By addressing climate change through a lens of equity and inclusion, climate justice aims to ensure that the solutions to environmental challenges are fair, inclusive, and consider the needs and perspectives of all communities. It is closely related to diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) as it acknowledges the interconnectedness of social and environmental issues, and seeks to promote fairness, empower marginalized voices, and dismantle systemic barriers in the pursuit of a sustainable and just future for all.

https://libguides.whitworth.edu/c.php?g=1327622

I think the issues facing any country are greater than just culture war issues. The culture war stuff is a huge distraction.

I think the problem people have with CRT is framing it to say only white people are favored by those systems. I don’t think the evidence supports that only white people are favored by the system on average, it seems only rich people are favored by these systems on average.

Misinformation and disinformation does exactly that right? It uses ideological lines to create polarization.

So, let’s say a democratic country favors pro-choice policies, but then has an influx of immigrants who are anti-abortion, and now that population is greater. That’s a change of values because the population shifted to a majority opinion which favors a different view point.

If a country has an idealized view of how it wants to be, then I think it’s fair to expect immigrants to integrate and assimilate. I don’t think that has anything to do with xenophobia or excluding different cultures, as long as the core values of a country are maintained. For example, if a country wants to maintain a democratic socialist society, and a greater population of capitalists immigrate to it, then I think that socialist society would want to restrict immigration as well.

None of that is bigoted, it’s just pointing out how democracies are fragile.

Nothing I wrote is bigoted, it’s just questioning why people should accept some policies when there are people who literally perform ideological warfare against other countries.

The whole anti-CRT and anti-DEI thing has become my cross to bear, apparently. The fact is that these concepts are not being used by people with the best intentions for preserving democracies. If I am being downvoted for pointing out that there are literally anti-democratic people who want authoritarian regimes of one kind or another, then that’s a problem in how people think. It doesn’t make me a bigot.

Edit, the second post you linked to is mine.

Thank you, I get that things are making people tense right now but there’s no need to lose hope. As mentioned, regardless of what someone may think of me based on their understanding of what I’ve posted (and let’s be honest, my posts are often lazily written and not explaining all the details bc they’re just casual), I know what side I would have fought on during WWII or during the U.S. civil war. Discussion is one thing, but when it’s do or die, it’s another.

I think the goal here is to bully me away from posting. But I won’t. You’re the ones who are bigoted.

Explain how I am a bigot, or else you’re basically accusing me of thought crimes like any authoritarian bigot.

The post I replied to specifically asked what someone had against those concepts, so I made my comment.

There’s this fervor going around that everyone against these policies is a Nazi, and that’s not the case.

What I got from reading those US military perspectives was that people need to be careful about trusting ideas that look one way on the surface, but have a different intent, so I shared that as a comment.

Except I am not right wing or transphobic. You’re judging me as such based on your understanding of what I am saying.

You’re just mad that someone else posts something you disagree with, that doesn’t mean that person is a bigot. I think you need to grow up.

Well, people who become fixed in their way of thinking is a danger of democracy, and why some are convinced that we need authoritarianism for society to keep functioning. I think maybe the issue is that I am just shitposting, but it’s giving someone else a bad mental health day.

Yes, and? What about that is bigoted?

Being against CRT doesn’t mean you’re against anti-discrimination, or giving people better outcomes. Being against DEI doesn’t mean you’re against diversity, equity or inclusion by themselves as concepts. The academics who framed CRT/DEI were some of the most anti-U.S. Marxists, and so I don’t trust their intentions.

Listen, I am not racist, homophobic or transphobic or anything which looks down on others. If the US ever came to a civil war, I know what side I am fighting on.

I am sorry you feel the need to follow me around lemmy and post these lies.

Edit here’s the post on crt and dei, what a shit show to be harassed by someone who just wants to make snap judgements https://lemmy.world/comment/14908431

I think it’s fair to say that when people are facing an existential threat they find it hard to criticize that which protects them. People should just be anti-genocide because leaders cannot be trusted all the time. But what are the chances that the Muslim citizens in Arab countries would protest if a genocide happens to their perceived enemies? Sometimes the best defense people have against authoritarianism is empathy, don’t let something happen to someone else that you don’t want happening to you.

Edit downvotes explain yourself? I am just being brigaded by extremists on every post.

White nationalists are just the same as white supremacists. If there are Jewish people who think Christian Nationalism will protect them, they're forgetting that Nazis were and are very Christian.

Authoritarian leaders turn on their own people and supporters all the time, this has been proven time and again in history. Whatever America is now though, there is still hope in the judiciary and the constitution.

Western democracies are learning a hard lesson right now. You can’t let any one player get too big or too strong.

None of those words are the insults you think they are, but I think I should say something because I am sick of people being cowed by asshole assumptions behind words like these. I think many people are too firmly in ideological camps to understand what makes sense in different situations, and what may look like one thing may not necessarily be it. Regardless,

Anti-immigration doesn’t mean you don’t want any immigrants or immigrants of a certain type only. Second, if you’re anti-illegal immigration doesn’t mean you’re anti-immigration. Third, all countries are free to set their immigration policies, why does anyone believe they have the right to be anywhere? I am not even anti-immigration, btw. That’s besides the point if I am making a devils advocate comment.

There’s no such thing as imperialism in the modern world. The fact that some countries insist on blaming their shortcomings on imperialism is a distraction tactic so their citizens don’t turn on their failing or corrupt governments. I feel bad for the people of those countries.

I simply hate that someone takes a historically failure idea like Marxism and creates a narrative around it which sets that ideology as morally or ethically superior. It’s just part of the narrative to make western country citizens hate their own countries so that they dismantle their democracies. Which is the sum total of what we’re seeing everywhere now.

There are too many complexities to these issues so I understand why people choose to engage in hivemind like behavior online. I am not even that much pro-capitalism, and I am definitely not against diversity or inclusion. Saying you don’t trust DEI as a concept (because we already have anti-discrimination laws here) or the people implementing DEI doesn’t mean you’re against diversity or inclusion.

It’s been addressed. The altruism refers to the altruism of those with enough resources to become successful in capitalist states.