The native Americans and nat turner lost, the Viet Cong, the ANC, and the algerians won.
I did explain what conditions justified revolutionary violence and you said apartheid is ok actually. If you aren't willing to listen, I'm just gonna stop responding.
Yes, I don't think terrorism is always bad. Would you condemn the ANC, the Native Americans, the Viet Cong, Nat Turner, and the Algerians for doing what they had to do to fight oppression?
Most gazans have been restricted to the gaza strip under a blockade for as long as they can remember. They've been unable to import certain foods and materials for their entire lives (even pasta wasn't allowed until more recently). Sometimes, hamas or pij launches a few rockets, and maybe they kill or injure a few people if any. Israel responds by bombing the shit out of Gaza, destroying homes and killing families. When they try to peacefully protest, hundreds of them, including children medics and journalists, are killed by snipers, and tens of thousands are injured.
"58% of Gaza Strip residents required humanitarian assistance with 29% of Gazan households living in extreme or catastrophic conditions, the top two tiers of severity, against 10% in 2022."
In the west bank, Palestinians are forced out of their homes. They aren't allowed to use certain roads. They regulary are abused and killed by settlers (who aren't supposed to be there under international law), and the idf backs the settlers up. It's apartheid according to international organizations.
If I was in those conditions, and my friends or family were killed by settlers or an airstrike, I would probably want to join hamas/pij/PFLP too.
Ok but you're still being kinda delusional. You want to vote hitler out? You want Vietnam and algeria and Haiti to vote the French out? Sometimes you have to use violence to stop the violence that someone else is doing.
Well if they're a hasbara troll then they're a pos, but at least they're doing it bc Israel told them too not bc they genuinely don't know what's going on
The jewish population isn't a monolith. There are some orgs that back Israel, and others, like Jewish Voice for Peace which do incredible work advocating for Palestinian liberation.
Gee, I wonder how you get rid of an extremist resistance organization built out of the hatred of a people that has been subject to horrific apartheid conditions for their entire lives. Maybe undermining that hatred by treating palestinians like human beings is worth a shot? Or we can go ahead and keep killing their families, I'm sure that'll get rid of hamas.
we went in like America always does and blasted their brains out.
I know, I was being sarcastic. What is your proposed solution to facists? Because if you're pretending that you can just get rid of them, or colonial forces, or imperial forces without violence you're delusional. Historically that hasn't been the case. You can't just shut your eyes and ignore the world you live in.
Yeah that's how we beat the Nazis in ww2. We invested in their education infrastructure.
You can prevent facism from taking root with a good education sure, but once colonialism or imperialism or facism are present, violence is exceptionally good at getting rid of it.
I'll wait for the independent verification to draw a conclusion, but that's pretty fucked up if it is true considering the Indonesian hospital generators stopped working today
There was one of a some vile Hamas pigs shooting a young woman in a car and dragging her body out while cheering. There was another of a child with his face burned off by white phosphorus or some other horrific weapon right next to his crying father. And there was one video from a few years ago, where a monster from the IDF snipes a child through a fence and treats it like a game. Those fucked me up.
I’m also curious, how much have you seen so far of the conflict? Particularly this year? Have you watched the massacre videos and Israel’s response yet? I think watching footage of the massacre is a must-have, considering it’s one of the most violent terrorist attacks of recent years.
I've seen a lot of violence on both sides that I wish I hadn't seen.
I looked through that wikipedia page, and most of the stuff about Jerusalem seems to be either both sides stopping negotiations, or more recently Israel wanting Palestinians to make concessions that they shouldn't have to make.
I'm pretty sure the lower terrorist attacks is because of Fatah being in control instead of Hamas in the west bank. But either way, if crimes against humanity are how you prevent terrorism, u gotta reconsider lol. Glad we agree that settlers have to go. I think that would actually be one of the most significant steps towards ending Hamas.
I would be interested in reading more about the deals for a secular Jerusalem, I don't know much about that. I guess I could see how islamic fundamentalists would be opposed, but I have a feeling they have reasons other than just religion.
Regarding Gaza being an open air prison, it is, that's pretty much a fact. I'm not calling it a concentration camp or a ghetto, even though I think it might be one. Millions of innocent Palestinians are locked in there, along with some terrorists. There was a blockade even before Hamas took power, but now no Gazan can even import things like concrete. If there are a group of people that are locked into an area and they aren't allowed to leave by air land or sea, that area is a prison.
The native Americans and nat turner lost, the Viet Cong, the ANC, and the algerians won.
I did explain what conditions justified revolutionary violence and you said apartheid is ok actually. If you aren't willing to listen, I'm just gonna stop responding.