naevaTheRat @ naevaTheRat @lemmy.dbzer0.com

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Well if someone can prove they need meat to survive and only eat the bare minimum obtained in the least terrible way I'll engage that fictional person in discussion but that is nobody you or I know so it's moot.

Which isn't a living being and has no feelings. It doesn't matter unto itself.

If I pay someone to kill you only a lawyer or a pedant would argue I didn't kill you. Without me you wouldn't have died.

Ok you should Google wild bovine. Aurochs are extinct, cows aren't really a distinct species, and bovine specifically covers everything from wilderbeasts to yaks which all exist in the wild. So it's worth ridiculing people so ignorant of the world and so unwilling to even do a Google search.

Hell there are wild escaped domestic cows a day's drive from me lmao.

benefit for whom?

What is meat farming? in most of the world at this point in time it's much more efficient to eat plants. Nobody with access to a supermarket is eating only what meat they might need to survive with no alternatives, you eat it for pleasure. For this pleasure someone must die, therefore you kill them for pleasure.

What did they say then? What are the implications? what are they arguing against?

Ummm. Are you serious?

That's what a farm is. They're saying we should keep farming them or else they would go extinct and that would be worse than continuing to farm them.

Wait you're saying it's better to be genetically experimented on, caged, forced to breed, and be killed in your early adulthood than not have children?

That's it's actually more ethical to make a creature who you later kill for your own pleasure than not to do that? because the alternative is only wild cows and cowlike creatures existing?

They're living beings, not museum exhibits ffs. Species don't have preferences, individuals do.

otoh depressive realism is a thing.

For example about a trillion probable sentients are killed every year mostly for pleasure and if you can contextualise numbers at all that rends your heart.

The story really isn't that good

So in a way, it's easier to support all variations than only some.

Words to live by really

Pigs definitely are and you shouldn't eat them, but intelligence is a weird way to judge whether a life deserves consideration.

The only pertinent question is surely if they suffer.

If you're going to correct people you should probably get the details right.

Settlement started long before the founding of Israel, afterall there must be citizens to start a country.

It really got going in 1917 when, after WW1 and the carving up of the Ottoman empire, Britain was like "fuck me but that looks like a good place to shove Jewish people innit?".

Idk, it's pretty difficult to get my peers to check out black and white film, let alone silent, and yet most enjoy what they see.

I came to gaming after the NES (although I was alive at the time) and have recently been emulating games and have been surprised by how good some are.

There are still modern games that expect you to read a manual before playing, there are still modern games where it takes about 2 hours to learn the UI. There are older games with 3 page manuals and simple controls too.

You've got to remember you're not immune to marketing tactics either. Like part of the resistance to checking out older stuff has been placed in us all by gaming companies training us to interpret stuff like low framerate as bad, or controls that aren't fluid as bad.

Best game doesn't necessarily mean most enjoyable now, or even an enjoyable experience at all. Some of the greatest art is difficult, unpleasant, and challenging. Some of the greatest video games are those that set trends, or do something unique despite rough edges, or are even straight up hostile to their player.

Basically everything old. There's such massive recency bias in game discussions. It's very much an explicit marketing strategy to promote the new thing as more everything but somehow it's infected almost all discussions.

Sure ok, playing an old game requires a bit more investment and effort than watching an old film or even reading an old book but mostly it's just about lack of familiarity. Especially outside of fps style games where I'll admit prior to halo 1 things were pretty all over the shop many older games are still approachable.

Coupled with the general dismissal of strategy and simulation genres (which were comparatively bigger in the past) and many things get forgotten outside of cult classic status.

So genocide is the key word. A lot of conquest did not involve the displacement or extermination of entire peoples until colonialism.

Conquering a place was largely "so you pay tax to me now" prior to colonialism, at which point it became more "so you are subhuman and need to be exterminated or bread of of existence"

Colonialism is definitely a unique sort of evil. If you don't think that I'm sceptical that you're particularly broadly read.

The scale of atrocities committed is just beyond comparison, like the most hardcore genocide in ancient times (that we have evidence of) was against a single city. In colonialism we are talking about continents.