I posted this two hours before your comment
"I'm not religious and I'm not lgbtq either, but I will fight for either's right and freedom to practise their beliefs." Freedom of Expression is the most precious thing we have. I cannot understate how important this is. I feel like you might have misunderstood me, I should have tried to word myself better in my original, first post. I don't want to edit it, let history be a judge. It's difficult to thread lightly in this subject. It's a subject close to the heart of many people.
I cannot help but make the comparison to religion, yet again. Even though I'm an atheist or agnostic, not really sure. Religion is different because they are on both the giving and the recieving end of persecution.They use religion as a base for their persecution of other people of a different religion (or sexual identification, sexual attraction, even something as trivial as dress code). Expressions that are clearly protected within the law. Whenever freedom of expression is challenged, there should be huge crowds to support the FoE, and I think that is also relevant in context of your next paragraph too.
Regarding your last paragraph. Corporations hammer the message for the same reason they hammer any ad, it works. If ads didn't work, it wouldn't be a billion dollar industry. My point is, every corporation hammering the "we are inclusive" message feels inorganic. I might confuse this feeling with it just being "in" or trendy atm.
Are we not all just children stuck in adult bodies. /end cringe philosophy. I wrote it in this context because I hoped it would be easier to relate to for someone, clearly, not religious. Religious freedom is not a blanket "do whatever you like" free-card. I believe RF is covered under Freedom of Expression, at least in most European Contries. It's limited to not infringe on other people's freedom of expression.
Your next paragraph is also best answered with; their freedom of expression is limited to not infringe on other people's freedom of expression. And this is what makes this so hard.
"Except LGBTQ people are real, you can go outside and talk to them, they will talk back at you."
Again, I know lgbtq is real, if god is real or not doesn't matter, that's not relevant, the actions of those convinced he is real, those actions are real.
"What are we even talking about"
I was trying to have a discussion about that, in my view sexual freedom and religious freedom are very similar. They are both the fight for freedom of extression.
And my other thought (not so popular thought, so you better not air it) was that recently this fight for lgbtq feels inorganically amplified by legacy media. It makes me suspicious about if there might be a divide and conquer agenda behind it.
It's fun to discuss with you, you seem like you argue in good faith. Managed to slip in a semi-dad joke too.
Saying God isn't real is kinda like saying santa claus isn't real, and to those kids that desperately needs a santa, Santa is real to them, and that's all that matters..
"people tent to create moral norms for others"
As long as those norms are not forcefully applied, it's fine.
"based on the particular fantasy story they happen to believe in." I would hope you were more self aware because not too long ago lgbtq's were dismissed as "fantasy" or some kind of medical diagnose. Just please be more considerate before throwing those types of accusations around.
It is kinda counter productive to downvote a comment of someone that tries to engange in a meaningful conversation. Divisive topics should be more discussed, not less, and definately not discouraged/punished...
I'm not religious and I'm not lgbtq either, but I will fight for either's right and freedom to practise their beliefs. I'd be more careful in calling one side "misinformation", when you have just spent decades being on the receiving end of that cruelty.
"Conversion therapy is still legal in many places for fucks sake!" This is a blatant form of persecution and everyone shoult protest and shut shit down until it's fixed. Conversion therapy is, in my book, not protected by religious freedom, at all.
This remids me about the meme, two bomb-planes D and R, were one just bombs, and the other bombs too, but with rainbow colors, blm and every other "current" coopted flag.
You take an awful coropration and put lipstick on it to make it better...
I try to take a few steps back and, to me, it looks like the exploitation-class has coopted this issue, enlarging it, to make it more divisive than it actually is. I would think most people have a "can we not just live our lives in peace" attitude, whether you are lgbtq, straight, religious or atheist.
The similarities between sexual freedom and religious freedom is striking. Sexual attraction and identification is important to be free and open, just like religious freedom. Free from persecution, equal rights and oppertunities.
But I don't like when people forcefully spread their belief system and their values to others. Let it be organic, don't try to force change. People are free to pursue their lifestyle and i'm free to pursue mine. In today's society, it feels like the ownerclass are running pro lgbtq advertisements. Is it another divide and conquer technique? The whole thing feels forced...
Please don't downvote just because it's an unpopular opinion, rather lets discuss the issue 👍
Hopefully MSNBC, NYT, WaPo, NBC, PBS, CNN, Sky News will blast this for months and months. This needs to be repeatedly used for propaganda to brainwash stupid magas. It's for their own good. We need to protect them from dangerous Trump.
I like your post, but regarding China, you are dead wrong. They are the country that hast adopted electric cars the most, even more than Norway. There are also lots of videos on youtube of travvelers being surprised about this, seeing lots and lots of car brands that they (and me) never heard of before.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me; “dozens of young White House staffers” freshly hired were abruptly told to quit, were suspended from their jobs, or otherwise punished “due to past marijuana use.”
At least "Educate yourself" is better than "Don't do your own research". So you're bying a new car, well don't do your own research, just listen to the car salesman, he's the expert. People are stupid. "Don't use google" is a way better saying, I use qwant, but even ddg has less bias, censor, rank manipulating than google.
I don't like to interact with people, but I also don't like to work for free for the owner of the chain, so I take one for the comrades and interact with the cashier.
I posted this two hours before your comment "I'm not religious and I'm not lgbtq either, but I will fight for either's right and freedom to practise their beliefs." Freedom of Expression is the most precious thing we have. I cannot understate how important this is. I feel like you might have misunderstood me, I should have tried to word myself better in my original, first post. I don't want to edit it, let history be a judge. It's difficult to thread lightly in this subject. It's a subject close to the heart of many people.