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It's been confirmed multiple times from multiple sources that Gaza's largest hospitals are connected to Hamas' tunnel network. The UNWRA, various doctor groups and various media outlets had reported it prior to this most recent conflict.

For someone moderately or more paying attention there should have been no reason to doubt those claims from the IDF; not just because they cane with nominally verifiable audio and video evidence. But also because Hamas has never refuted claims about its use of its tunnel network in and around hospitals, schools and other civilian infrastructure.

You're an ignorant person man. Your mistaking a war with a genocide. Hamas can end the conflict tomorrow by surrendering. A conflict they started by murdering, enslaving and raping undeniably innocent people.

If Hamas surrenders and the bombs keep falling nobody will be yelling genocide more than I. But equating incompetence on the part of Hamas's defense strategy and stubbornness on it's war goals with a genocide. Hamas' blind and overconfident aggression is the cause of theses deaths in Gaza. Being blind to that doesn't make you moral.

Did you know there are Jewish palastinians?

About 50% of Israeli Jews are descendants Arabs, Persians and North Africans who were forcibly relocated to Israel by the leaders of the Arab world or native to the region. Israel is a reservation, agreed to and established by Arabs as part of the agreement between their leaders and European leaders to overthrow the Ottoman Empire.

I've seen videos of Israeli settlers kicking palastinians out of their home at gunpoint saying that the state sold them the house. It's a state doing a genocide.

In the West Bank or the Gaza strip? Because there are no and have been no settlements in the Gaza Strip in a generation.

So again, is it a genocide because you feel like it or because they're Jews?

Ahh so are you one of those "genocide is what I feel it is" folk or one of those "genocide is when the Jews are still alive" sort of folk?

There wasn't a "genocide" on Oct 6th.

With their countrymen reportedly dying by the thousands in their behalf. They should surrender en-mass anyway. They've been defeated. Prolonging the war only prolongs the suffering.

What is the source or evidence the hostages were executed?

You asked this question. The article directly answers it. Hamas killed those hostages.

Yes, every so often a news report comes out about individual Hamas members and cells surrendering. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=individual+hamas+members+surrendering+to+IDF

I am interested in additional information, but it’s not relevant to my original assessment.

That means you're not interested in additional information. Did you look at the quote in the Reuter's article?

A "to be decided deal" isn't an offered deal.

To me it sounded like they were specifically pushing against a claim that Hamas offered to free everyone.

You read it correctly.

I'm not dehumanizing the hostages. Hamas has literally clarified that when it agrees to release Civillian hostages it will not release any active or reservist hostage or military-aged males (even if they're not in the military currently).

During the temporary cease-fire, they were supposed to release all the elderly hostages. But they kept some of the males back who were veterans.

The headline given wasn't an offer by Hamas to return all the hostages as was claimed earlier in the thread. It was an offer to return some of the hostages and to keep the rest indefinitely.

How would that work? Should they surrender themselves to the IDF while delivering the hostages, just notify them of where they are so they won’t be bombed or how would that all work?

Israel has tip lines set up for Hamas members and members of the Gazan public to call. You call and say, "me and my boys will have an unspecified number of hostages at x location at y time and are looking to surrender. Then you show up at that time with those resources and surrender.

Is it really surprising that a government that started a war while spending zero dollars on air superiority, zero dollars on artillery, zero dollars on defensive fortifications, zero dollars on civilian bomb shelters, zero dollars on radar and enemy detection and zero dollars on a military college for its officers is losing the war it started with a 45:1 casualty ratio?

If Israel were truly trying to maximize harm in Gaza it could easily be 4500:1.

This is special Olympics vs. Olympics here.

Let's be real, if you had a link to the autopsy you wouldn't change your mind. You haven't decided your beliefs based upon evidence; why would you change them based on it?

Reuters

On Sunday, following the return of the bodies, an autopsy revealed he and the other five hostages had been shot at close range within 48 hours before Israeli forces arrived and recovered the bodies in a tunnel under Gaza.

But Israel can't really expect Hamas to follow Geneva conventions when they themselves violate it a hundreds times as often.

This is a massively false statement. And it's one that should make you reconsider your viewpoint from the ground up.

I don't know if a more incorrect statement could be made about this conflict.

Historically you've shipped them to a neutral nation (like Switzerland) who negotiated their return to their home country on the condition that they not be allowed to rejoin the war effort either for the duration of the war or for a specific time.

None of these things are solutions that haven't been seen before.

Because now they'll be pursued for the rest of their life. Free a hostage and you have essentially a get out of jail free card.

What is the source or evidence the hostages were executed?

They released an autopsy. What the frack do people want?

"Civilian" hostages. Israel has compulsory military service. And a reasonable chunk of those taken hostage were active or reservist military members.

So no, not all.