Sssh you're not supposed to use the actual numbers
You're supposed to pull Trump-style wild exaggerations out of thin air, and then disappear and have someone else take over (apparently) when someone questions the reality you are presenting
it also does this with a bunch of weird little local newspapers or etc which I've never heard of, which is like the one time I actually want it to be providing me with some kind of frame of reference for the source. MSNBC and the NYT, I feel like I already know what I think about them.
Not directly related to MBFC bot, but what's your opinion on other moderation ideas to improve the nature of the discussion? Something Awful forums have strawmanning as a bannable offense. If someone says X, and you say they said Y which is clearly different from X, you can get a temp ban. It works well enough that they charge a not-tiny amount of money to participate and they've had a thriving community for longer than more existing social media has been alive. They're absolutely ruthless about someone who's being tricksy or pointlessly hostile with their argumentation style simply isn't allowed to participate.
I'm not trying to make more work for the moderators. I recognize that side of it... the whole:
This bot was introduced because modding can be pretty tough work at times and we are all just volunteers with regular lives. It has been helpful and we would like to keep it around in one form or another.
... makes perfect sense to me. I get the idea of mass-banning sources to get rid of a certain type of bad faith post, and doing it with automation so that it doesn't create more work for the moderators. But to me, things like:
Blatant strawmanning
Saying something very specific and factual (e.g. food inflation is 200%) and then making no effort to back it up, just, that's some shit that came into my head and so I felt like saying it and now that I've cluttered up the discussion with it byeeeeee
... create a lot more unpleasantness than just simple rudeness, or posting something from rt.com or whatever so-blatant-that-MBFC-is-useful type propaganda.
Yes. A certain amount of my complaint about MBFC bot is not that it's a bad idea per se, it's just that the database and categorizations are laughably bad. It puts Al Jazeera in the same factual classification as TASS. It lists MSNBC as factually questionable and then when you look at the actual list, a lot of them are MSNBC getting it right and MBFC getting it wrong. It might as well be retitled "The New York Times's Awful Neoliberal Idea of Reality Check Bot". (And not talking about the biases ranking -- if that one is skewed it is fine, but they claim things are not factual if they don't match the appropriate bias, and the bias is unapologetic center-right.)
You can't set yourself up to sit in judgement of sources that write dozens of articles every single day about unfolding world events where the "objectively right" perspective isn't always even obvious in hindsight, and then totally half-ass the job of getting your basic facts straight about the sources you're ranking, and expect people to take you seriously. I feel like mostly the Lemmy hivemind is leaps and bounds ahead of MBFC bot at determining which sources are worth listening to.
it wouldn't be too hard to manually enter Wikipedia's Perennial Sources list into the database that the bot references
FUCK FUCK FUCK YES
This is an actual up-to-date and very extensive list that people who care bother to keep up to date in detail (even making distinctions like "hey this source is ok for most topics but they are biased when talking about X, Y, Z"). This would immediately do away with like 50% of my complaint about MBFC bot.
I tried to find a Scary Go Round archive with the whole subplot of the communist robots having a party at the bus station and fucking the buses, but it is too old to be available, I think 😢
Most people saw an increase in their rent and groceries of 50-100% since 2019.
What is your source for this?
If you genuinely believe whatever anyone on Lemmy tells you, just because they are telling it to you, you'll believe anything
(FTFY, hope that helps)
(Also, what happened to the other person who was saying 200%? Is this like a tag team where everyone takes their turn to send one and exactly one message to me, so that the abandonment of the 200% figure can be replaced with other equally incorrect figures in a way that I then have to disprove afresh as if the whole first conversation hadn’t happened?)
Don't forget boogaloo fellas and local cops who have been taken in by some kind of propaganda and left-wing useful idiots who got all spun up on internet nonsense to think that the best way to help the Palestinians is to make sure Trump gets elected. I hope not, but the convention has the potential to be a fuckin atom bomb of colliding toxic forces.
So groceries go up 150-200% and wages go up by 15% and somehow that's a win?
You're misunderstanding the chart -- that's all inflation-adjusted wages. Cumulative inflation (which, again, was follow-on impacts from Covid, mostly unavoidable although I'm sure Trump didn't help) was around 20% in total. So low-wage income went up 33%, high-wage income went up 24%, and so on, and then about 20 percentage points worth of that got eaten back up by inflation.
Basically the working class exceeded inflation by quite a lot, and everyone at least kept pace with it (2 percentage points above inflation means basically no detectable change).
What groceries are you paying 200% more for? Even for the very highest items like eggs, it's been like 40% increase cumulatively.
ETA not to mention inflation being something like 2.5% per year at least
The whole problem currently is that it was way the fuck more than 2.5%, and prices from the spike in 2021-2022 haven't gone back down or anything. Here's the chart. The wages chart I showed was inflation-adjusted.
If you got the 2% micro growth, you're actually not in the starvation wages bracket. If you're in the 13% growth bracket and you're upset that it's not more (which, I get), you gotta talk to the people who set up the 7% inflation in 2021 and 2022 that ate up all your wage gains from Biden's policies the last few years - not blame the people who got you 32% higher wages that then got eaten up by the Covid inflation.
Penny Arcade had a character that was a DivX player they bought, that grew arms and legs and started walking around the apartment fucking things up and insulting the other characters.
A year subscription to WaPo costs I think like $125, which is 35c per day. You’re saving 9 cents now. And most I think are significantly cheaper than that.
It’s worse than that, with both users - they are literally making up nonsense so they can posture as the one who is pro-Palestinian to the point of getting hostile with someone else who is also pro-Palestinian. If they were criticizing my imperfect solution that would at least make some kind of sense.
With Linkerbaan I feel like I have a strong understanding of why they are doing it. With Ensign_Crab I am totally lost as to why. I genuinely have no kind of ill will towards them in any way and they’re convinced that I am some kind of vicious pro-Israel enemy, in a way that is totally confusing to me.
Maybe it's because you keep answering people being upset at the actions of a genocidal apartheid regime and its supporters by downplaying it and trying to spin it as acceptable or even good.
This is the exact opposite of what I generally am doing, including right now in this thread. Like I say, I have no idea what’s in your head when you create this imaginary conflict. Good luck though. I hope your issue gets better over time.
It sounds to me like the Nashville city government (mayor and prosecutor and part of the city council) sort of decriminalized it on their own unofficially, even with it being still illegal by state law. Which is… kind of fine. It’s messy but whatever if it keeps people out of jail I’m fine with it. I mean that’s what the states did already that got us to this point.
My whole point was just that having the DA lead the process isn’t the normal way to do it, and that’s not how it happened even in Nashville, and attacking Kamala Harris for this wide variety of half-truthful bullshit including that it’s all her fault that California still had some level of criminalization when she was DA and that makes her automatically a bad person, is IMO a variety of half truthful bullshit.
Sssh you're not supposed to use the actual numbers
You're supposed to pull Trump-style wild exaggerations out of thin air, and then disappear and have someone else take over (apparently) when someone questions the reality you are presenting