mo_ztt ✅ @ mo_ztt @lemmy.world

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kbin seems like it's trying to do this with "collections". E.g. this is one that's an aggregation of like 15 different cute animals picture communities.

Why they decided to say "magazines" for communities and use /m/, and then circle back around to the letter /c/ out of all the possible letters for the URLs for "collections," is a whole different conversation.

You can edit it; it's not reddit.

Oh, just to add on to my previous comment to address the specifics: My guess is that feddit.de's outbound federation is not running because of this bug in Lemmy 0.19. It will probably stay that way until the queue is manually unborked somehow, and even then, feddit.de will probably not be able to federate real reliably in general until the fix is released and they upgrade. Without knowing too much about it beyond some guesswork that's my prediction.

Like I said in my other comment, I sort of prefer it that way. Call it the fediverse's version of the "good fast cheap, pick 2" decision. You can have one only of the following options:

• You're the product people are making money off
• It costs you money
• It doesn't work perfectly all the time

I'm happiest with #3 personally.

Oh look, it's the issue that I linked to the fix for, in my comment 🤗. (Edit: It's apparently merged now, who knows when that'll translate to a release, but presumably it's a priority since everything's broken until that happens)

Eh. I mean, stuff breaks sometimes; I get it. No one's getting paid to maintain the servers, so any degree to which they function is sort of a bonus. Honestly I kind of prefer it that way, even if NGL it's definitely irritating when stuff is broken for extended periods of time like this.

I'm currently working on installing kbin on a server of my own so I can try to make that my new home. I like its codebase much better than Lemmy's, to the very superficial extent I've investigated the two of them, and I like that kbin attempts to interoperate well with both Mastodon's part of the fediverse and Lemmy's part. Presumably if I can get it working as a little server for me, it'll be better-behaved without the load of a ton of users on it, and I can just hang out there and wait it out until people sort all of this out and it all starts working well.

Interesting, thank you... so maybe it's just a combination of 0.19 breakage and kbin.social breakage coming unfortunately at the same time.

0.19 has functional problems beyond simple resource consumption. It is fine, this is the nature of bleeding-edge software, just curious if anyone knew what was going on or if there were additional problems affecting the system beyond that one that I'm aware of.

I'm also aware that kbin is different software from Lemmy. Just curious if anyone happened to know what was up with them, or whether the problems were in some way related (e.g. failures to federate out from Lemmy 0.19 instances to kbin leading to some queue filling up so that kbin can't get its usual work done and enters unusual failure states), and this seemed like a decent place to ask since some people on kbin obviously read this community.

Ah, yes, the well-known legal doctrine of "basically that is like."

Yeah. So, I misunderstood a little bit.

I have friends IRL who are hard-core into the MAGA propaganda, to the point that they talk to each other online and offline about gearing up for war if the Democrats keep it up. I want to know more about that because it's relevant and dangerous. It seems important to have a good awareness of what's up with it in detail. And, in all sincerity, talking with those friends did make me sympathize with them for how the modern online world wants to make them pariahs. I had absolutely no sympathy at the beginning, but at a certain point I "got it" and understood how it feels on their end. I see them more as victims of an incredibly powerful propaganda system than anything else, and I don't think being antagonistic to them "back," even though yes they are being hateful, is in any way productive. And yes, that includes interfering with their freedom to be able to say what it is that they sincerely think ("free speech"), in some cases.

I was hearing Art Bell and Adbusters and "Off the Hook" (if anyone knows that show) before some of these people were born, so I can have a good amount of sympathy for someone who wants to be anti-establishment, and genuinely feel like I can rock with them depending on where they're coming from, even if politically I think they're dead wrong. We can talk about it. Free speech, right?

So, I was curious about this. I did go to the exploding-heads replacement and look at it. Honestly? The issue isn't anything political; the issue is that they just want to be assholes. A good example is the guy who told me "You are a nobody" "You have no brain in your head" "s***" "f******" "dumb f****** b*******" and so on. It's just vitriol without much of any kind of political subject matter. I can understand why they got defederated so unanimously. No one even pretended to take me up on my offer, hey send me your censored truth over a DM and let's talk. There's no politics beyond a vague "fuck Biden" vibe, just shared bitterness that drove everyone else away from even wanting to talk to them. IDK, I'm not into that. I hope they get out of whatever mental trouble leads them to act that way, but it's not my problem and not something I'm interested in.

TL;DR they're not political, they're just dicks.

It was, approximately, 4chan reincarnated as a Lemmy instance. They were defederated from more or less everyone more or less instantly.

Yooo

My dude you need some anger management

I actually am the king of turd island. I was gonna keep it low key, but you gave it away.

I argued pretty extensively with tankies on lemmygrad at one point; they were convinced I was a western liberal and told me so. I never got banned. They got sick of the conversation and the questions I was asking, and abandoned it long before I was ready to quit.

Not saying you're wrong; I could believe that lemmygrad specifically is actually intolerant of dissent, in the way sj_zero claims that all of Lemmy is. I'm just saying that my one experience with them was that they never censored me.

Haha sure, DM me.

Haha excellent. I was completely sincere when I was telling that other guy that Lemmy feels like a monoculture now, and I liked the "tankie vs leftie vs nerd" generation of it way better. When I first came on and it was ideologically diverse I was like "holy shit, score, I'm staying here forever." Like I say, it felt like the old internet.

The core point that I'm making is that as far as I can tell, you can express unpopular views on Lemmy. Someone in another comment dug up your modlog to check if you've been being censored. I would argue that all your talk about censorship, when viewed in the light of the lack of any actual censorship (on Lemmy) and your silence when asked directly what views you'd like to share that you're unable to because of censorship, means that what you want to be free from is not censorship, but criticism.

lemmy has become so ideologically homogenous in part because reddit became so ideologically homogenous. What’s the point?

On this I mostly agree with you, yes. You can still say your stuff even if everyone's yelling at you. I've done it. It's fine. Your comment just sits there with a big negative number, up for anyone to read.

I already know what you’re going to say

Not even close. Would you like to start talking with me about how the police are generally out doing a difficult and dangerous job, and the vast majority of them don't do anything wrong and get tarred unfairly with the ACAB brush, and watch as none of our comments get removed? That's actually what I believe, and presumably you agree with me, and most Lemmy people hate it.

You actually made me look back in my comment history and laugh out loud, because I found the comment where I was strongly encouraging some ACAB people to find some unincorporated land somewhere and create a whole new town with no police presence at all, since they were saying no cops would be a huge improvement, and they could live in paradise. They hated my suggestion. No one was willing to articulate why they didn't want to do that though; they just downvoted me.

I’m seeking truth, and there’s nothing new to be found in arguing with people after I’ve been saturated in their unconvincing arguments for years. So you win, yep, stupid me.

I constantly learn things from people I'm arguing with, even when their arguments in my opinion are dead wrong. In all seriousness, that's part of why I'm talking with you right now. Because maybe I am wrong, or maybe in the course of the conversation I'll learn something I didn't know before.

Again: I am literally asking. Please share your truth with me. I would like to know what you are being prevented from sharing on Lemmy. I may not agree with it, but I would like to hear.

I've argued with both tankies and MAGA people, and the tankies were way more abrasive. Like bad-faith to a degree that's genuinely hard to believe. I still loved them.

Eh. Honestly, I think what you're saying, and the points the article is making, are pretty valid. That's still gonna be way, way overshadowed by the absolutely ridiculous example they chose to use to make their point. Like "Since you're writing code that's ridiculous to such a degree that it wouldn't even occur to most people that the way you're doing it would even work, you better turn optimizations on, so the compiler can fix your code back to normalcy behind the scenes for you."

I miss the tankies. I assume they're still around somewhere, but now they're all drowned out by the "look what I found on Twitter" bros. I didn't agree with them, but for a while, Lemmy felt like the old internet.

If the most powerful government on earth contacts the largest and most powerful companies on earth in order to categorically suppress or delete certain viewpoints or certain speakers, then by definition that is “‘the establishment’ censoring you”. The fact that you agree with the censorship doesn’t make it not censorship, and framing it in a moralistic way doesn’t make it not censorship. Being moralistic didn’t make it not censorship when the right was doing it.

Ruud is categorically suppressing or deleting certain viewpoints or speakers? Or some other Lemmy admin is doing so? Can you give an example?

Exploding-heads as I understand it was facing DDOS attacks near the end (or at least they thought it was), that’s one of the things that prompted the admin to shut it down, it wasn’t worth the effort to try to keep the site up and running under such an onslaught.

I definitely don't agree with doing this, to whatever extent it was actually happening. Are you saying it was the US government or some powerful company doing that? Can you point me (or send me in a DM or something) some of the truths that they were trying to discuss that were being censored or silenced so I can look into them for myself?

Anyway, I don’t know why I’d even try. You know what? You win. Everything is fine

This is a perfect example of what I was talking about in my earlier comment, about framing disagreement as an "attack." No one is attacking you, and you don't need to start feeling downtrodden if it seems like what they're saying is making some sense.

Honestly, I don't have the slightest bit of any kind of personal ill will to you, and I doubt the other people here do either. I'm gonna tell you if I think you're wrong, but it's not like that's a quest to make you feel bad or look bad or anything. It's just how I see it, and I explain it in detail hoping that it might make sense to some people and they might get some value from it.

Yeah. If you take the statement literally, it's just kind of silly. When you realize how many people agree with what it actually means -- that refusing to rebroadcast conservative viewpoints unchallenged is "silencing" them, and we need to punish people if they're doing that -- it stops sounding funny and starts to sound alarming.