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If they're user funded, their incentives are fundamentally different from Google's. Even thinking as a business, it makes no sense to enshittify the way Google does. It's a different choice, even if it's not the choice you wanted.

They said it will be opt-in and are trying to make it local-first. Their provider(?) apparently allows fallback to nvidia cloud compute when the hardware can't handle it.

I'm not using AI to write my fucking emails, regardless. Just wanted to let people know.

p.s. Sorry, I'm dumb, skipped over quote in parent comment. Point is, there's more to the service than optional AI bullshit, and you shouldn't have to disable it.

I've seen news that tumblr has changed/is changing, and they're even implementing some form of activitypub (Fediverse) integration. I don't have stakes here, just curious: does that change your position any, as an ex-user now on fedi?

Might be nicer if they just didn't care.

Check the comment section for the video version of this article by Niccolò, or the comment section of the post on r/browsers, or the replies whenever these issues are mentioned on Twitter, and so on, and you'll find a bunch of brave people saying stuff like:

you unintentionally just made me like brave over firefox. now i can switch to a chromium based browser and not even feel bad about it

Yes i am installing Brave after this advertisment!

Thanks to this video I deleted Brave then redownloaded it

These were taken directly from the video. They're on the mild side. Throw in also some "stop inserting politics (other than mine) into tech" comments, and a few homophobes not even trying to hide it. Rather than not caring, many of them like it a lot, especially the right-wing politics.

I don't think every Brave user is a cunt, but fucking hell, are loud cunts seemingly attracted to Brave.

To folks bothered by this: know that the lead developer of Ladybird is a big fan of Brendan Eich.

As a small protest against problems with the AI industry, I don't read posts with them. It costs little to not contribute to the issues at hand, and being unwilling to drop the slop doesn't endear the authors to me.

In fairness, these projects have different objectives. Ladybird aims to be a full browser, Servo doesn't.

Ladybird is a brand-new browser & web engine ...

Servo is a web browser rendering engine ...

There is Verso, which aims to build a browser on Servo, but it's still very young (though, I suppose that applies to LB as well). Ideally, I'd like to see all these projects grow into complete solutions. I think that'd be healthier for the internet. It's just really difficult to support Ladybird with Andreas as he's acting right now.

I think there was a similar idea in the USA with the COPIED Act, but I haven't heard about it since.

Disappointing and unsurprising. He and Bryan are very similar, complaining that "social justice warriors" are "ruining open source" whenever they see pushback against shitty actions, then getting right back to doing way worse.

I wonder how true that is. Maybe they were considered left in their time, but something we see differently today, then. I really should hit the books on this one.

It's a bit of a tangent(!), but Parrish gave a talk I think is relevant here. In Programming is Forgetting (transcript, watching optional), she analyzes a book about hackers from the eighties and dissects the ethics of hacker culture—a very loose definition, mind you.

This is all beside the point, because while interesting throughout what I'd really like to point to is the section on the rewiring of the PDP-1. Agree or disagree with any other, that part made me rethink how I saw older generations of programmers. I consider the dignity of all people an important tenet of my leftist values today, and women then were second-class, even in computing. Even when excelling.

So I feel like things have actually improved overall, but it's difficult to say how much. That really is a shame, it ought to be a lot clearer.

Whenever I post such things, I get a small wave of displeased people. Rarely get thanks, though. Even if it takes a bit of effort, and I inevitably find yet more stuff. That's ok, praise obviously isn't the point.

But it demoralized me a little, how there's always downplaying. It's never enough. I can say Brendan Eich is homophobic, ideally you shouldn't support him, and someone will tell me he invented javascript, and that makes it ok (my entire point is thus null, I am overreacting).

Your thanks encourage me to uselessly annoy and present no arguments a bit longer. Thank you.

Downvoted for stating a relevant, verifiable fact. Incredible.

we’ve created the Ladybird Browser Initiative , a US 501(c)(3)

The inaugural board of directors:

• Andreas Kling (President)

I'm a bit hesitant to comment further because this thread is already quite long, but assuming it's a genuine question I can send a DM and we can talk there, if you want?

On certain topics, complete indifference also bothers me. I've seen this called a "purity test," and I don't get it.

Why shouldn't I be bothered when someone "doesn't have a side" on taking away people's rights? I very much prefer that they care, at least enough to not support aggressors with careless neutrality.

They don't mind folks being erased or even killed, but I'm the radical for not being ok with that?

's what happens when one tires of getting surprise racism in hobby-talk.

Does programming count as a hobby? I waste my free time on it... There's this funny stereotype, of a queer programmer with long, quirky socks, and maybe even a fursona. Despite being a small percentage, such types are often overrepresented online. It used to bother me a little.

Nowadays I'm so, so glad when someone I'm talking to is part of that group. It usually means I don't need to worry about them being weirdly sexist, like women don't suffer enough in STEM already, or insisting that we need to keep politics out of tech (i.e. they want their politics to rule, unquestioned).

(Need something more tangible? Look no further than uncle bob (skip to the bottom). I've seen his books in classrooms, in the office, and let's not speak of online mentions. This is a relatively well-known, respected name in the industry. If you get to know people, you will meet many, many uncle bobs out there.)

Silly feelings on my part? Perhaps. One less thing to worry about, though.

No need to apologize, I'll take a late reply over nothing any day. I'm not the fastest replier, myself. That said, I'm sorry, but isn't that the guy that calls everyone stupid, delusional, and entitled when people (often) point out his mistakes?

I honestly appreciate the comment from a Firefox dev, believing in good faith that it's truthful—such insights are often hidden, strewn over comments, old IRC messages, etc.—but I'm definitely wary of taking anything that creator says at face-value. Tech-influencers may have been a mistake.

...Well, I'll give it a shot anyway, since you say there's value in it. Thank you.

That's a bad vibe if I've ever seen one.

Seeing that you replied to a comment that's almost a week old, I wouldn't be surprised if you do.

I really hope no one reading thinks this redditor behavior is as cool as the author does. Dude seemingly can't get the point they're arguing against, so this is all that's left, I guess.

Yeah buddy, this is to sleep better at night. You've shown you're not stopping the high-school tier debate club logic and the goofy-ass mic-drops.

Sure, ignore him being pals with the homophobe CEO and welcoming Mr. genocide because he made cool tech. Because being a developer puts you above mere ethical issues, and saying "I'm apolitical" makes you immune to criticism.

And lets ignore that it's been changed since. People 'never' change, so lets fuck up their entire career and public image for life.

Andreas hasn't changed, that's half the point of my comment. The PR was sent by someone else, merged by someone else, disguised with a different title, and all after his departure announcement. Someone approached him about it later, and Andreas himself admits he hasn't changed his mind. Did you read nothing? Where's this change you're so confident about?

And I'm not ruining his career, that's absurd. I couldn't manage, even if I wanted to. Look at the niche forum we're in. Even so, I've defended his work, his skill, the very idea of Ladybird, the need for more browser engines, even the tooling. But unless people shut up and never criticize him, it's just not enough for you.

If you think that comment outweighs all the positive impacts Andreas is making, that's your prerogative. I'm not interested in holding everyone up to such high expectations.

"Don't unnecessarily chum up to homophobes and genocide defenders" aren't high expectations. They're ridiculously low-hanging fruit, considering our history. Absolutely pathetic excusing of his actions.

I think voters started being counted a while back? I'll see if I can find the release notes.

Edit: there we go, from the docs.

An active user is someone who has posted, commented, or voted on our instance or community within the last given time frame.