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OK I'm gettimg frustrated now, because you're making literally no points at all, and now you're quoting yourself. A whole lot of words saying absolutely nothing.

You didn't lay out "fault in my logic", you just asked me what I mean by robust. Do you have anything to actually say or do you just like the sound of your own voice?

In what? What????

How is arch hard post installation?

OK, so Debian is not rolling release, arch is. If rolling release causes the system to implode, doesn't that make arch more user friendly?

I'm the one that's says the only thing unfriendly about arch is the installation. That's a point I'm making. And truth be told, most of what a user interacts with is the DE, installation is the only real sticking point between all these systems at this point, that and package management. Outside of installation and the package manager they're basically the same as far as the casual user is concerned. And for arch, once you get past the installation, it's package manager is just better than apt. And EndeavorOS does the installation for you. So it's better.

What do you mean with robust here?

If you've ever "held broken packages" you'll know what I mean by robust. I've had an entire distro upgrade break in Debian, it seems with a Debian system, eventually, you're wiping and reinstalling because something broke. I have had this happen to every single Debian system I've installed since the gnome2 days.

When I talk about Debian and arch, I'm also talking of their downstream distros. So Mint would be a desktop oriented downstream distro for Debian. It inherits all the problems that come along with Debian, just as Manjaro or EndeavorOS would inherit anything that comes along with running arch. This is all in addition to any issues caused by those distros themselves.

I wouldn't recommend any new person install arch, in fact I don't even do it because I get tired of the installation process. I'd recommend someone install EndeavorOS, which is just arch without the installation issues. If someone wants a Debian based system, I'll recommend Linux Mint, but if you don't already know why you want a Debian based system, if you're just looking for a desktop that works, I'll recommend EndeavorOS because the underlying Arch system is just IMO better than a Debian system.

Also, I used to be a gnome2 guy, then Mate and then xfce, but these days I find xfce breaks on upgrade no matter what system it's running on, and it's incredibly bloated these days. So now I recommend KDE, I find it to be really nice, though I don't use it (I'm nuts and so run a tiling Wayland setup) but for people looking to replace windows, just have a desktop that's close to what they're used to, I'll say EndeavorOS with KDE, or secondarily, Mint with KDE, and I think that about covers anyone's general desktop needs.

Says who? The days when this was true are long gone. Ubuntu is no longer the user friendly everyman's desktop system anymore. Arch is extremely user friendly, just not the installation process. I find it to be much less of a pain in the ass to use than Debian based systems. For one, you have the Arch User Repository, so you're very unlikely to need to not be able to find some software you want, and more importantly, so many packages in Debian are out of date and they take forever to update them, stuff often breaks because the version needed as a dependency for something else is not in the repositories.

For people who want to use arch but don't want to manually do everything I highly recommend EndeavorOS. You fly through a wizard, just like Mint or something desktop oriented, and you wind up with a nice, working environment, but it's Arch tooling instead of Debian tooling. The biggest and for most people only noticeable difference is the package manager, and pacman is so much more robust than apt.

I get frustrated online when I see people saying "Ubuntu is the most user friendly distro" or "arch is not for noobs", this stuff was true like 10 years ago, that's no longer the case. Ubuntu is user hostile, and there are arch derivatives that are basically arch with a graphical installer, which is the only part of using arch that is hard for people who aren't hardcore nerds. It's not like Gentoo or Void or Alpine or Nix or running a BSD system or something advanced like that.

I personally don't like ads because they're intrusive, and because they are an attempt to manipulate my mind in some way in order to extract resources out of me. I'd like to keep my mind as clean as possible and not be a tool towards someone else's ambition.

I don't mind ads on something like a TV, where you're already passively consuming content, and the ads are just "here's a product and how it can improve your life". But in something interactive, they are incredibly intrusive, and most ads are made not about a product and why you'll like it, but they're done in ways that are tested and optimized to bypass your rational mind and appeal to your emotions or your lizard brain. I loathe being manipulated and have great disdain for those that attempt it.

There's also the factor specifically online of tracking and data mining. You want to show me a product, fine, you need to know what color my butthole is to sell it to me, go fuck yourself.

Diagnosing me with a disorder lol OK.

In the sense of what it supposedly represented, and in the sense of it's land and people, it most certainly is. What we call America today is nothing more than a machine, a meat grinder that has superseded what came before it in all but name.

American a died a long time ago.

10-15%? Trump won the republican primary in 2016. There are more than half of Republicans that support Trump. That race wasn't even close. The recent one was absurd how much it favored him.

Republicans don't care about "electability" anymore. I don't think anyone does, for their own chosen candidate. Biden certainly doesn't look too good, but he's got firm support as well. The optics thing has flown the coop.

Trump will be nominated even if he is in jail. As far as whether he is elected, we will find out.

Alright, let me ask you, benefit of the doubt and all that. What do you think about people that seek to control others? And why do you completely ignore what it is I'm actually saying and focus on what words you would like banned?

I said that those who seek power over others are subhuman scum. Curious you took it personally.

I'm not a racist, but you know that already and just like to shout insults at people because your ideas cannot stand on their own merit and everything is a means to an end to you. You're a con.

People who seek to dominate others are subhuman scum, I don't think I'll get a lot of disagreement on that.

Well, often Nostr clients are open source and have no telemetry. I personally prefer native applications when I can verify that that is the case.

Of course. You're one of them. Got it.

This is a much harder problem than you realize.

We have a situation where big interests that can afford to treat supporting certain politicians as a business decision control our governance. That's bad. You want to move to a situation where the unelected contingent within government will be able to control the political direction of the society that is governed by the state, which is also very bad. A noble attempt to solve a problem, but it causes other problems that are at least equally bad. And this is why noble attempts that treat the problem as very simple often lead to worse outcomes.

So what's another solution. No campaigning at all? Just publish your platform online, let people vote. Good idea? Well, no, because people want to be excited, they like to be emotionally manipulated. You create a boring political process and hardly anyone will vote. You wind up in a situation where the only people voting are those business interests. Also, you push campaigning underground, it already partly is, but you wind up in a situation where "regular people" canvas and protest and "grass roots" and all that, which is usually covertly funded. Still, very bad.

The real problem here is the nature of power. There is no political solution to the Pareto distribution. Real power exists, it is undemocratic, and no amount of rules can fix those problems, all you can hope for is a system that leverages the natural incentives and propensities of power distribution such that it gives you a Nash equilibrium, a social optimum, the best we can do. That will necessarily still involve power imbalances, unforseen outcomes, some amount of corruption, because the actors in all these systems are people, and the beneficiaries are always people, even when the actors are not people.

I don't know what the solution is. i don't think very many people do.

"On principle what specific words do you want to say" lol yeah OK. You need to go understand what "principle" means, by definition it ignores specific circumstances.

When what I can say is subject to someone else's dictat, de facto they have power over me. The interesting thing about that is that the kind of people that seek that out aren't the kind of people who wield it wisely or fairly. I avoid giving others power over me, I can't always prevent it, but I avoid it where I can. That's the principle we are talking about, whether I want to give someone that power, not whether I agree with them on what words should be said. And that's what this whole speech shit is about, not words, it's about power. Generally I would agree with those people on what words should not be said, what I don't agree with is giving them the power to tell me or other people that we can't say them. I used to do the compromise thing, but those people inevitably overreach and begin to try to control what ideas are allowed to be discussed, because again, it's about power and they're power hungry subhuman scum who just want to dominate others.

No matter where you go on fedi, it's one type of toxic or another. Either it's people shouting the n word, or it's people sharing drawings (at best) of little kids, or it's power hungry subhuman scum who just want to dominate others. It's an architectural problem endemic to the federated network architecture. So I prefer an architecture with less discoverability but which gives the user the power to censor their own feed how they see fit. There's no real reach on either, but at least people can have their echo chambers and nobody can lean on the architecture to silence the people they don't like.

It's not about what I want to say lol typical. Take a conversation about principle and imply that I want to shout slurs.

You don't have the right to dictate to me what I can say out loud, period.