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And what does it mean that I’ve never even heard of either of these?

Exactly.

Facebook never interoperated with any of those, or any other platforms, so I’m not sure what your point is.

Facebook messenger literally integrated with XMPP to do exactly what Meta is clearly planning with Threads. They added compatibility in 2010, then scrubbed it in 2015. It's right out of their own playbook. Your assertion is factually incorrect.

It's two-way. It prevents interactivity between the instances, meaning that Mastodon doesn't get flooded with Threads users and Threads doesn't get access to Mastodon content.

Preventing both of those things is a win for the fediverse, because it preserves its identity and purpose rather than just being 10% of a network controlled mostly by Meta.

Allowing both of these things to happen is a win for Meta, because their users overwhelm the fediverse and they get free content until it no longer exists.

We don't lose anything by staying away from Meta, unless you like really love Facebook and want that to be what the fediverse is reduced to. Unchecked growth isn't a win, it's cancer.

It's literally a list of well-run servers. Do you not see how you're attempting to 'take away choice' from the proprietors of the list by telling them who they must list and what criteria they must use for their website?

You're perfectly capable of doing what they've done. Go spend the time to curate a list, put up a simple little site, and make your own decisions. Nobody's stopping you. That's the point of federation and independence. You get to do what you want if you have the follow-through.

Admins likewise can do whatever they like. They can choose to federate with threads or to not.

Personally, I think it's a little shady to run around shaming people who put their time and effort into projects and insist that they must lick Meta's boots. Little bit suspect.

The fact that I haven't had anything equivalent to Pidgin or Trillian installed in over a decade says otherwise. When Facebook became big it literally wiped out the active userbase of 4 concurrently relevant instant messaging platforms.

As far as I can tell they seem to have at this point largely been supplanted by Discord.

The reason embracing works is because it creates connections between people using the system and allows them to piggyback off of other services.

At the moment, the wider fediverse may not have a ton of people, but the quality of content blows mainstream social media out of the water. By making it available through Threads, new users are going to be encouraged to follow their normal pattern of gravitating toward the big thing while still having access to this content. If we post on servers federated with Threads, every piece of content we add is a boon for Meta for absolutely free. The fact that they have deep pockets means they already have independent federation beat on the server end in terms of stability and long-term reliability. It makes a lot of sense for the average user to just grab a Threads account and not worry too much about which other instances have the odd hiccup or potentially stop existing.

On the other hand, if people exposed to the fediverse keep hearing about all this stuff that isn't on Threads, there's a better chance that they'll get into the decentralized account model that's natural to federation. The logical conclusion quickly becomes making accounts in places that are federated with the places you want to read and post, and if Threads isn't connected to all those places it means it doesn't serve to unify fediverse accounts under a corporate banner.

Threads has a resource advantage, but we have a content advantage. If we let Threads in, the content advantage dissolves, because not only do they gain access to fediverse content, they pollute it.

Thankfully the reality is that the choice will always lie with server owners, not via consensus. As long as the owners of servers with higher-quality content and better moderation don't open the floodgates to Threads, that pocket of high quality content that a Threads account can't have will always exist.

Personally, I suspect the above will be self-perpetuating, as connecting with a larger social media entity will degrade the quality of content. The best bits will always largely be inaccessible to the big sites.

Considering that their literal stated purpose is to create a curated list of 'nice, well-run servers', I don't see how delisting someone is remotely outside of their wheelhouse. If a server is federated with meta, it's not well-run. Easy peasy.

Nobody needs to be listed on Fedi Garden or has a right to be listed on Fedi Garden. They can still federate or defederate as they wish, just as Fedi Garden can choose to list them or not as they wish. Everybody gets to do what they want, as is the point.

May I direct you to Embrace Extend Extinguish. It's happened before, and you're a fool if you think Meta isn't federating specifically to go this route.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

I let myself recover and try not to make it worse by shaming myself for needing a bed day now and then.

Ahh, that makes sense!

Isn't that more of just part of interacting with people, though?

Like, if you play some kind of real-life game with no regard for anyone else, that's generally considered poor sportsmanship. That wasn't invented in online gaming, it's been a concern as long as people have been coming up with games to play together. We accept that if you sit down and play a game of chess or golf or pool or D&D or paintball, you're going to try to not cheat or blow the game off or be a jerk about it. Some people are better sports than others, but the general idea is that we accept the wins and losses and the game going in different directions, because otherwise there's no game.

What's an aberration is this concept that people you meet with over an electronic connection aren't real, don't matter, and are never owed anything.

I noticed that though he raises his voice a bit when he's getting into the more sort of territorial part of the interaction while she spouts her talking points, when he actually gets to his own point he lowers his voice a bit.

This is really clever. Not only does he know that he'll get his point across better with less volume and stress in his voice, but he compartmentalizes the two parts of the conversation and draws a clear delineation between them. On the one hand there's the sort of social-territorial posturing where the words aren't really carrying factual meaning so much as being a means of claiming space. This is the arena where Fox's reporter is comfortable, though clearly Bernie knows his way around as well.

When he starts bringing up his own substantive points, he does so at a lower volume with an even tone. It feels like a totally different interview, because the Fox reporter literally doesn't even know how to exist in this space.

She's trained to compete on that level of pecking at one another to vie for status. Right-wing politics has become entirely about dragging the discussion down to that level. But if you manage to bounce right off of it and bring it back to reality the way Bernie does here, they have nothing.

Literally her only move is to bring it back down into posturing, but he already beat her in that arena.

This is the way forward.

Frankly, corporations seem to have no idea how to use LLMs. They want them to be a public facing company representative, which is exactly what LLMs can't do well. Where they accel is as an assistant.

Want to figure out what scale you're playing a song in? It's great at that. I've had it give me chords to go with scales too, or even asked for some scale options based on the feeling of the sound.

It's also great for looking for terms in other languages. I've got some ranged weapon abilities in my tabletop rpg. I knew i wanted one of them to be called pistolero, but I didn't know the terms fusilero or escopetero, and might not have found them on my own, but chatgpt came up with them right away.

I've also learned that it's great at looking up game guides and providing hints that aren't spoilers without giving the puzzle away. I had it generate results for the Lady's Maze in Planescape: Torment and the Water Temple in Ocarina of Time. Amazing hints without giving it away.

If you have your own brain and want to off-load some simple queries, it's great. If you want to use it in place of a human brain to talk to customers, you're barking up the wrong gpt.

Gpt is fantastic at search. Like, check its work but it'll check hundreds of pages of results way faster than you can.

This is definitely what makes something along the lines of Piefed look really attractive imo. It would be great to be able to still connect to the larger Lemmy community without having to deal with their terrible devs.

Between this and being implicated in Tupac's murder, Puffy is really in a world of shit.

I don't know if this is happening in this situation, but sometimes I get into a place where I really can't do like, the whole interacting with people thing. It's not that I can't or even won't talk, but it ends up getting stressful when I feel like people are demanding that my attention focus in a particular place, especially if they're not getting to the point.

I don't mean this in like a motivational sense of just not liking talking to people or being irritable, it feels physically uncomfortable. My muscles tighten, my skin gets prickly, the world shifts focus and my brain feels like a car stuck between gears with another car behind it blaring the horn demanding that i move immediately.

This is why the words 'we need to talk' are a sure fire bet that I won't be talking to you. It's why I don't do voicemail and why I don't really pick up my phone.

Usually it happens when I'm in the middle of something and am keeping track of something elaborate in my head, or trying to work through some bullshit so I can get back to work. I'm better about setting boundaries and communicating about it now, but I wasn't so much when i was younger, and in the past I'd sometimes totally shut down because of it.

Anyway, if it isn't something like that, maybe just slip some questions in and try not to monologue?

Nothing about the division of labor into planning and operation requires any form of authority over the worker outside of the workplace. And yet, it's common for employers to exert control over things like when they work (regardless of the work's time sensitivity), whether a medical professional's opinion is adequate to merit accommodations, and the amount of created labor value that's extracted from the worker versus what they're paid.

That all, to me, seems quieter inherently authoritarian. It rests on the premise that the planning folks need to be able to control the working folks' lives, and that they deserve a much greater cut of the profits for their trouble.

To me it seems that such a system that props up authority as absolutely necessary, justified, and desirable can reasonably be labeled as authoritarian. I'd argue that it's also necessarily exploitative in such a case, but that's neither here nor there.

What is relevant though is that simply saying 'it's not always like that' while decrying every example as not representative doesn't really get us far. Whether authoritarianism is 'good' sometimes is immaterial to whether it trains people to be ready to accept tin pot strong man dictators and politicians who emulate them.

High fructose corn syrup can taste just fine and be 'good' in some recipes, but if it's also giving us all diabetes it's probably better to stop using it. Likewise, let's not ignore roads that lead to fascism. I'd really rather not have to flee the country or die in a concentration camp.

I only ever really got into twitter with any real frequency on an account for a character I had on a DayZ roleplaying server a few years back. In that lore we were right at the beginning of the outbreak and the internet still worked for the first few months, so we were all on twitter posting about a civil war in a non-existent country and a global zombie apocalypse. A bunch of accounts got banned for threatening to kill one another. It was fun.

I could never really take twitter seriously after that. Or before, really.

I hope every piece of produce in Florida rots on the ground for lack of anyone to pick it up.

Mmmmmm tray.