mea_rah @ mea_rah @lemmy.world

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I'm curious. How would you identify who's guest and who's not in this case?

With multiple networks it's pretty easy as they are on a different network.

I have a bunch of these myself and that is my experience, but don't have any screenshots now.

However there's great comparison of these thin clients if you don't mind Polish: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLRplLPdd3Q

Just the relevant screens to save you some time:

Power usage:

Cinebench multi core:

The power usage in idle is within 2W from Pi 4 and the performance is about double compared to overclocked Pi 4. It's really quite viable alternative unless you need really small device. The only alternative size-wise is slightly bigger WYSE 3040, but that one has x5-z8350 CPU, which sits somewhere between Pi3B+ and Pi4 performance-wise. It is also very low power though and if you don't need that much CPU it is also very viable replacement. (these can be easily bought for about €60 on eBay, or cheaper if you shop around)

Also each W of extra idle power is about 9kWh extra consumed. Even if you paid 50c/kWh (which would be more than I've ever seen) that's €5 per year extra. So I wouldn't lose my sleep over 2W more or less. Prices here are high, 9kWh/y is rounding error.

Thin clients based on J5005 or J4105 generally idle under 5W. (Futro S740, Wyse 5070,..) They consume a bit more when 100% loaded (11W vs 8W), but they also provide about 2x performance of Pi4.

(That article you shared is measuring power consumption on the USB port, which does not take into account overhead of USB adapter itself)

If you search ebay for Intel based thin clients, many are more powerful than RPi while being passively cooled and having very similar power consumption.

That honestly sounds like taxation with extra steps.

Why are you exporting food to some place while the local restaurant is importing it?

The obvious answer is that they both do what is most reasonable for them. If it's cheaper to source locally the restaurant can (and if they care will) source locally. But why limit yourself to local only?

In practice the "let's do all local" is very naive. My friend is a farmer. He told me about hay to give you some example. He's able to sell and deliver truckload of bales for a good price. It's extra money for him. But the thing is you need to buy truck load. Some local horse owner wanted just one bale. And he explained that if he paid the driver to go over to his farm, load it, unload it, paid the fuel, etc.. he'd be actually losing money. So you might be wondering why is that horse owner buying more expensive hay when there's farm with literal tons of hay not that far away. Well that's why - it's actually cheaper for everyone involved.

There's another company that has cars and equipment to do small deliveries. They buy bulk hay, make smaller packages and sell it, but it's obviously not local anymore, they need to be able reach across the country as they wouldn't even cover equipment cost if they only served few local horse owners. It sounds ineffective, but it really isn't.

I'm not saying that it's always absolute 100℅ effective system, but everyone involved has motivation to be as effective as possible.

To stretch this into extremes, why aren't you using locally built computer? It is technically possible to build one in your city. But the investment would be astronomical. And once you produce said computers, producing just enough for local community would never be economical. And if you produced quantities that are economically viable and sold them globally, it would be cheaper to buy them from the local global market than to build logistics for local delivery.

sending out your surplus harvest for distribution

I fail to understand what surplus harvest is in this context. I have a friend farmer and he never mentioned that, because you know they generally sell stuff. The closest thing he mentioned was hay of which he might have more than he'll need to feed the animals over winter, but even that is same product as any other and is sold to other farms. It's not surplus, it's par of the production.

all kinds of services from the wider community

What kind of services are we talking about? Farmers (and other citizens in EU) also get all kind of services. Also once they sell their produce, they can get all kind of services even beyond what local community provides. I don't see any benefit outside of situation where the export/import is impractical. Hence my metaphor with fission. (even if not technically 100% accurate as metaphors are)

if they manage to do it between a rock and a hard place, the system itself is plenty stable enough to work under better conditions

That's like saying that if fusion manages to happen in the middle of the sun, surely it can happen in my living room.

if you somehow teleported it over it wouldn't regress politically -- what would be the reason for people to allow that?

Why wouldn't they? If my family is about to starve and most import and export is blocked, sure I will work on a farm to sustain our community, because ultimately that also feeds my family and I don't have the option to seek better job somewhere in EU.

If there is no ISIS on the border trying to murder me, why should I accept that the farm that belonged to my family for generations was collectivized and I'm working on it for a tiny share rather than benefiting from all it can produce?

Thanks for detailed reply. I didn't mean it in a bad way. It certainly wasn't well written comment. Apologies.

What I failed to convey is that IMO this is not best example as It's a community stuck between rock and a hard place. A lot of what it is right now seems to exist out of necessity. Which makes me wonder how well would it work if there were other realistic options that aren't absolutely horrible.

Like if you lifted the entire land and dropped it in the middle of the EU with free market and mobility, would it still exist? I don't think it would. For the same reasons I mentioned earlier.

Yeah that one is probably closest. Still pretty far from socialism and held together by military with child soldiers.

Well at least they have the right to (down)vote then. That isn't that common in the socialist paradise last time I've checked. 🤣

Right but as soon as you have hierarchy, you have classes. You can have hierarchy in family owned business and it can work with everyone doing their best for the good of the business/family. But these social structures fall apart as the hierarchy grows bigger. And very soon what's good for your family is not necessary good for the business - including non-monetary stuff like how much time you spend working or how hard your job is. Notice how there's not a single CEO or shareholder in the picture and the system is already falling apart.

There is this famous saying from communist times: "If you're not stealing, you're stealing from your family" That pretty much sums it up.

You can't have working socialism with humans, because the system is inhuman by its very nature. (and I don't mean it in bad way even if the consequences end up being really nasty for many human beings)

Yes, exactly it always fails, because it just does not scale. It's an idea, that can't exist in reality on a country level. You can point to Freetown Christiania as an example - a small anarchist commune, that already shows some major cracks in its structure. I mean, just grow family business a bit and you can already see structures and hierarchy emerging.

I was born in country where intellectuals were in jail and uneducated workers were put to management positions, because they should own the means of production or some bullshit like that. You can imagine the end result of that.

And again, this is the same "that wasn't true socialism" argument. Obviously it wasn't. The socialism as per your definition can't exist on a country level. You can see it being implemented on a small company level (think family owned businesses) but the bigger it gets the more the cracks show and it just does not scale.

This is the problem with people promoting socialism. They tend to compare idealized version of socialism with real version of capitalism. And such comparison inevitably leads to unrealistic conclusions.

The problem is that real version of socialism is what you see in China or Cuba or former USSR. The argument with "we haven't done socialism right" is the same as "we haven't done capitalism right".

I have been born in socialist country and to this day I can see negative consequences of that era. And the obvious reason why ideal socialism can't exist - people. Same reason why capitalism sucks.

Edit: To people downvoting me: Your fake internet points have no meaning, but I love the irony of it. You can't even keep the illusion of classlessness and equality in an internet thread, yet you are somehow convinced you could run a country like that. You'd be locking people for life in your communist paradise just for having different opinion and you know it.

Agree. And this is the first OSS keyboard I've found that can do multiple languages at the same time without switching the language/layout. (You can set secondary language) It requires a bit of setup (like downloading dictionaries) but I'd suggest to give it a try.

They are still part of a country that's not within the EU. Even living in Ireland it's sometimes a major pain to do anything in the UK. (Ordering stuff, returns, etc..) I can imagine it's turned up to 11 in NI.

It wouldn't get as far as Belarus IMO. Belarusian people don't have such a slave mindset. They are not free, but they are also willing to fight somewhat for their rights.

But still, popular candidate would be a problem in russia.

Obviously Putin is going to get 105% of the votes. There's no winning if you're not Putin.

But this is still quite a disaster for Putin as the collected votes are the closest thing to citizens expressing their real opinion on Putin.

That's why they are trying to present the signatures as illegitimate. It's not that they are afraid of losing elections to the opposition. It's the fact that the opposition got such a support that is problem.

IMO it will likely drive the price in countries that still directly buy cheap russian oil. So russia and India. There might be some price increase that will bubble up to the western countries, but it's probably not going to be huge.

Those clowns even promised to not be the last country to ratify Sweden's application.