mathemachristian[he] @ mathemachristian @lemm.ee

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There still is some google stuff in there, like for example phoning google servers to check internet connectivity among other stuff.

What? That makes literally no sense

I believe we are going in circles here. Whenever the point of how the state of Israel was established comes up you want to skip a few centuries back as if that makes any difference to the genocide that has been perpetrated by the israeli militants since 1947. And like I said in my other comment, the history is complex but the morality is not. I stand against colonialism even in the face of cruel action against the colonialist settlers. There is nothing to justify ongoing colonialism.

As for unsolvable, it isn't. But since it would involve the israeli people to look at what they did, the extremists using their religion as a means to an end to be silenced and for many israelis to give up some of their privileges it isn't a solution that will come by peacably.

If you really are interested in the historical context of certain actions I would recommend Noam Chomsky's tome "The fateful triangle". And it really is like Edward Said says in its foreword about Chomsky's claim

Israel and the United States - especially the latter - are rejectionists opposed to peace, whereas the Arabs, including the PLO, for years have been trying to accommodate themselves to the reality of Israel.

http://goodtimesweb.org/documentation/2012/Noam-Chomsky-Fateful-Triangle.pdf

I am not mixing anything you said yourself that the gazans are displaced people.

My point isn't the litigation of every single event, neither the Al-Aqsa flood nor the settlers response to it. My point is the reason for this war is colonialism. This is what I said in my other comment:

The history is complicated in the sense that it is war with many atrocities and injustices. But the root of the issue, the cause for all these atrocities that the colonialists suffer in retaliation is colonialism.

And there is no context in which the systematic oppression of the native Palestinians by the Israeli Apartheid state is understandable or justified.

Yes you were referring to the Al-Aqsa flood. As a means to distract from the ongoing genocide that the Israeli government feels it is entitled to do. You refer to it as if this is the start of the chain of causalities and not a link on the ongoing war thats been going on since Israel was founded. You grasp for a context that will make the ongoing cruelty and savagery at least understandable, perhaps even seem justified. No such context exists.

I'm going to pull the "no u" card here, because you're the one who brought up "how this war started" to divert from the ongoing genocide.

But is it incorrect? You have people from Staten island and California move into an arab families home today and the IDF will protect them and the family whose home just got occupied better not twitch a muscle too abruptly. You're painting this as if I have to draw from long settled history to support my argument, I don't.

But this displacement has been going on for close to a hundred years now. The establishment of the State of Israel had the zionist militias empty out villages and force the people into the desert trail of tears style. Like the establishment of any other colonial state and not just the US, but like the examples I mentioned before so I don't know where this "americanising" is coming from, South Africa, Ireland, Congo, Haiti and many many many other countries before Israel.

Right, but when someone asks me who I stand with on these conflicts, it's not the English, the Boers or the English (again).

The native americans, the Zulu, the IRA all committed terrible things on the colonialist civilians as well. And yet when you ask today who was in the right to fight the war that was fought, it's those parties. Never the colonialists.

The israeli people living there today have no ancestry back to mohammedan times. They're 99% converts. But really, you wanted to go back to the start. As if you are going to find some historical excuse that could justify the use of white phosphorus, bombing of hospitals, the bombing of roads that the population were told to take to move south by the very same army doing the bombardment. Some point in time where you can point to and claim "See, this is why the israeli's are justified in starving and bombing and terrorizing these people in an open-air prison".

The thing is the morality of the issue is not that complicated.

It's as complicated as the genocide of native americans and their expulsion into "reservations" where they still lack the same access to infrastructure, healthcare, education as the rest of the country today.

As complicated as apartheid south africa or the irish republicans.

The history is complicated in the sense that it is war with many atrocities and injustices. But the root of the issue, the cause for all these atrocities that the colonialists suffer in retaliation is colonialism.

40% of the people in Gaza are underage. 50% under 20. The IDF is starving and bombing literal children. For days on end. And not since the Al-Aqsa flood either. Way before that.

The muslims get what they accept

Well too bad for you they dont accept the Nakba

Am I wrong? Is the Nakba not how it started?

*after wwii. Goebbels most famous words are "Wollt ihr den totalen Krieg?" from his speech at the Berliner Sportpalast in 1943. But even after wwii the US bombing campaigns and massacres in Korea and Vietnam still stem from a total war doctrine. It never really went away.

Every palestinian remembers the Nakba.

So cutting of food and water doesnt even hurt Hamas it's just to be cruel to civilians?

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From the Wikipedia page it looks like this is what I already do, except with a boiled egg instead of paneer. But yeah boiled spinach + tomatoes + onions is the best combo.

Spinach. Its amazing. Kale same deal. Its all in how its prepared.

Back to feudalism!