maplebar @ maplebar @lemmy.world

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I'm open to the idea but I've never run a fediverse server of any kind. I don't have much web admin experience.

Do Lemmy, Mastodon and the other big fediverse projects already support invite-based registration using codes?

Other than the benefit of being part of a more tight-knit community, you're taking one of the biggest points of onboading friction away by giving them a code instead of asking them to pick from a list of servers they know nothing about.

It kind of does matter which instance someone joins, because not everything is federated with everything else. Also the rules and the overall vibe of the community can vary wildly from server to server.

But that's not really the point. The point is that potential new users think about joining "Lemmy" only to find a big list of servers that they don't know anything about, and that scares people away. Giving them an invite removes the need for them to choose anything at all.

Fair enough, but you sound like the type of bitch-made brat who didn't return the everlasting gobstopper. Just saying.

You could. I think invites to closed servers are probably more appealing, but the gist of the suggestion here is just to have a feature where existing users can invite other users.

Well, I'm not really that interested, to be honest. Sorry...

I just wanted to remind you that you're not this dude's manager, and it's probably not really your place to be worrying about his rate of progress.

If you want him to do something for you, maybe find out some way to pay him, otherwise just sit on your hands and wait for him to do whatever he ends up doing, because pestering people on social media is never going to achieve anything other than getting you blocked. People don't like being bothered, especially not by random dudes on social media.

If you're excited about loops (or any other FOSS development), then the best way to express that is just by telling people how excited you are, not trying to grill them like you're their boss or something.

That's just my opinion as a FOSS developer of 6+ years.

Come to think of it, even semi-open communities (like the kind that require users to apply to join) could benefit from a user invite code system as an alternate way to get people in without applying.

I don't really know who he is, but then again, who are you to be "calling him out" for "making no progress" on anything?

Don't take that as a personal attack, by the way. I just think you should probably be less invested in trying to manage random strangers on the internet, and instead focus on your own progress with whatever you're trying to do in life.

If you're excited about Loops and you want to see this dude make progress faster, you're not going to achieve that by bugging him about it on social media--that achieves nothing at all.

Use Bluefin or some other immutable/atomic distro.

The upside is that it's rock solid and will likely never fail in a way that cant be easily rolled back. The downside being that it's slightly more complex to administer than a traditional distro model (which probably isn't a big problem if you are going to be administering your SO's PC for the most part.)

Bluefin is basically a more general desktop, less gaming-focused version of Bazzite. Bluefin uses Gnome, but there's also a KDE Plasma version called Aurora.

Well, that's fair enough, I guess.

I think the difference between servers and what it means to be on one server vs another is not exactly obvious. On the other hand, if picking a Mastodon or Lemmy server gives a person choice paralysis, I don't know how they can pick anything in life without getting choice paralysis.

Like, how do you know which bread to buy? I guess you just arbitrarily pick one and if you like it then just stick with it, and if you don't then you try something else.

But listen, I'm no stranger to overthinking things, so I guess I do get it, even if it is a bit frustrating as someone who wants people to take the internet back from corporations and oligarchs. Sorry for being a bit overly dismissive. I think it's just that I'm a bit of an old school guy, and so I mostly just hate the idea that the entire internet needs to be centralized around one website/app/platform and that any small degree of choice or distribution is a bad thing.

That's really too bad... They are a super talented developer and they were doing something really cool, and making great progress too.

But if they were doing Asahi Linux for fun as a hobby, and if it isn't fun anymore for a variety of reasons, then you really can't blame them.

I'm not sure if there is a "right" or "wrong" here, as this is just one person's side of the story that acknowledges, but mostly glosses over, the possibility that they made mistakes or behaved badly at times too.

But I can absolutely understand the basic concept of burning out because you don't think your hard work is being appreciated, because people are making hard things even harder for you, or because users on the internet let their excitement about a thing push them too far into being entitled.

Hopefully Marcan can find some time to relax and do fun and rewarding things with their time.

The fediverse being "endless wars about who is federated" is not really true, is it?

Sure not everyone is federated with everyone else, but legacy social media is federated with nobody at all. Federation is the entire point of the Fediverse, you connect with people you want to connect with and you don't connect with people you don't. It's as simple as that.

Plus, do people really want to be on a single platform with everyone else in the world? Because that's a big part of what broke the internet in the first place...

99% of users are going to check out when you ask them what server to join.

I'm so sick of this dumb ass argument...

People who complain about "servers" need to tell me what they think "the internet" is. The existence of servers didn't stop online video games, email or discord/slack from catching on with hundreds of millions of people, so why is it suddenly a problem when it comes to the Fediverse?

Onboarding obviously needs to be better, but I'm going to be totally honest honest here: I don't think these are legitimate, actionable or useful critiques.

These are merely excuses from people who are addicted to legacy social media and who don't give a shit that the internet is owned and controlled by a few rich corporations.

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"Delaying" correctly implies that the outcome is inevitable, while not voting is absolutely something that helped Trump win, in the sense that many people who had the power to affect the outcome, and thus keep Trump from taking power, failed to do so.

If you didn't vote, it's either because you were either happy or ambivalent about Trump winning.

Personally, I'm much more mad at the idiot non-voters who made Trump and Republican control an inevitability than I am at just about anyone else at this point. As the government stands today, just about anything that the Democrats can do is merely symbolic, as the Republicans have all of the power over the executive, legislative, and judicial branches for at least 2-4 years (assuming we even have elections in the future). Democrats are politically irrelevant, as decided by the voters (and non-voters) back in November.

I love the idea of online communities that are run by the people and not by massive tech corporations.

The idea that we had a free and open internet back in the day, only to surrender the entire thing to fascist corpo fuckwads like Musk and Zuckerberg, or hostile authoritarian government pawns like ByteDance, is a perfect example of the tragedy of the commons.

The Fediverse feels like our one and only chance to take the internet back on behalf of all people, all over the world.

You're avoiding the point: when you have the source code, the ability to build it yourself, and the right to continue community development in any direction you want, there is nothing that a company or any other entity can do to make your experience worse.

If I don't like the direction of Lemmy, for example, there's nothing that stops me from forking the last known good version and continuing to use/develop that myself for the rest of time. It's fundamentally different than if you're someone who uses Reddit, for example, and you're 100% beholden to the whims of what the developers decide. That's the point I'm making.

Call me a true believer, but I think FOSS is at least extremely resilient to enshittification. I say this as a long time FOSS user and current professional FOSS developer.

I disagree, forking and personal modification are the fundamental powers that FOSS licenses like the GPL and MIT give the user. They're the whole point of why FOSS exists in the first place--it's not about money, it's about giving people the power to chance the source and build things for themselves.

Copyleft takes that idea one step further by asking them to share their changes, of course.

Obviously it's great if everyone can align their ideas and desires to work together on a single thing, but the software world also benefits from having multiple projects with different directions and goals, because one-size-fits-all is never ideal.

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