manitcor @ manitcor @lemmy.intai.tech

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because you’re wealthy enough to make those choices.

we are on the internet talking about people using social networks. vast majority of internet users have email addressees through thier ISPs, most popular tool used is a smart phone meaning they very often have phone numbers, SMS, and a number of other comm options.

however I do agree to a certain degree, there are some services that try to gate through centralized socials though I have yet to see any of those be the kinds of social support services that people using state-issued hardware and connections would be forced to. Show me some and Ill let the EFF know.

i see a lot of this injection in these replies, id suggest re-reading my statements and try and disassociate yourself from the anger of previous convos, no one is calling the users out here beyond saying they dont understand beyond maybe some of OPs statements.

however I do still see a little blame on the users since anytime this topic comes up people come in attacking those discussing it and often being quite rude and frankly overly defensive (common when one suggests to another the wool is over your eyes).

its important to note that those actions that forced those companies to move was initiated by representatives of the people.

at some point everyone made a choice here, they arent necessarily bad people for those choices but ignorance for whatever reason is on the menu. Hard to deny when the networks themselves work so hard to distort views for people. Algos you dont own are not made by friends they are made by those looking to monetize.

this was why we had these cases to begin with, if the incentive of a company providing communications platforms becomes perverted and at a fundamental cross of facilitating those communications its understood to be erosive and dangerous.

in short, communications are a fundamental public utility and should be treated as such.

ive projected my online anger before too. on lemmy there are going to be a lot of

"i dont like this about the internet"

wit replies that say

"well dont use the billionaires toy, drive your own internet instead"

which regardless of how its presented i expect can feel like an onslaught if you are trying to understand and still feel connected in some way to those networks.

Ive never really depended on them for connection and have always considered it extremely rude to expect me to communicate with you using systems like these. Its not just a game of "come talk to me here" its "you can only talk to me if you click 3 agreements, hand over your personal info to a large corp and accept multiple trackers on your browser"

thats quite an ask for messages I can send via email if its REALLY that important.

"USA Left" != "EU Left"

there are of course leftists like what you are thinking in the US but are a smaller or quieter group here due huge pushes the other way

in the past we would drag companies who made such walls in our telecommunications systems to courts and force them to allow open comms, now we have people making excuses for allowing walls.

im not sure where you are seeing this, unless you are speaking generally.

if this is directed at me, I would say its this tone I get from people that would inspire me to look down and potentially lecture.

as i am often told, its not what you are saying, its how you are saying it.

Lot's of anger at a straw-person there it seems. I'm suggesting they are unaware at a level that takes an understanding that there is an option and a desire to do so.

Whats interesting is that in the last year I see more angry people like you rather than clueless ones.

this tells me awareness is growing and thats good.

be as angry as you want. ive been pissed since these people starting trying to take away the internet we paid to build.

fired up my IRC client a few weeks ago, very quiet there but still running! what servers are worth joining these days?

also worth noting that Element is built with similar ideals to IRC but with E2EE included.

Also important to remember that IRC has some privacy issues that you may want to address before connecting as any IRC user can get your connecting IP and ISP info.

im not suggesting judgement, you are injecting that from a perspective I don't have.

this is what people do, suggesting its the same as the carbon problem is a bit disingenuous as its entirely mental rather than systemic.

i get there are similarities but they are not the same thing.

i have seen sites with millions fold and other sites grow in its place in extremely short time spans. The idea of the current immutability of the internets services is a fallacy and the tools to communicate are open to all, there are no blocks beyond what is truly easiest and most understood.

It is not surprise that there is an embedded profit in making sure people think its so immutable, wouldn't want to bleed users from the garden after all.

In this particular story, most users are both unaware and are actually served a version of the internet that is designed to make them want to stay in the gardens.

true but there is more to it, remember consumption and carbon production is just something everyone needs to do to survive in this world.

expecting your friends and family to use a billionaire's private network as one of the sole ways of communicating is not really the same thing as being stuck buying your food with too much plastic on it.

one of these you really do have control over its not a forced choice its just one people think is.

im often astonished at what people will mentally lock themselves into to save a click.

ux is so important, its almost impossible to understate. it does not just provide a way to access an application, it shapes your neural patterns.

just barons doing baron things.

you realize thats not likely to be a thing due to hosting costing money. file hosting in particular is a bigger bill each month while realizing only minimal utilization increase. if its to be 100% free its going to collapse eventually.

search for a subscription or ad-supported system you like. You aren't looking for free software (what OSS is) you are looking for free service (increasingly rare on the internet)

parental controls across the board are an afterthought by these companies at best, even if the product is geared toward children. Internet is off on thier devices and they have a growing, curated intranet to enjoy.

this is also a common pose for abstract human form statues right down to the pointed handless arms. many logos used this.

you mean like running your own? nextcloud

i think there was a lot of hope among some at the public systems, no clue if it will bear out, the tech however is a viable PKI distro strategy that has been proven to work already in multiple large orgs in different forms. We don't talk about how expensive or difficult it is to control your own PKI. Its one of the key reasons why you have to yield so much data and control to providers.

I could go on a long rant about what the internet was built to be vs what "big tech" has perverted it into, using p2p technologies to do it then saying "i dont see what the point is for people to have versions of this for themselves rather than it being only in the hands of big corps controlled by share holders" but thats about as far as Ill go.

as for private systems, this stuff is already starting to rule your world. distributed PKI systems in enterprise require expensive and technically onerous trust ceremonies for each cross system connection. you also require functioning cert trees from root to tip in order to validate anything in most of these systems (tools like pgp are the exception rather than the rule sadly). These systems are expensive to operate and add another single point of attack to the system. There are already chains doing internal asset management at companies, and its quite likely that any DiD standard that becomes a gov ID will be on a ledger network not that it should matter to end users.

the biggest push with the latest wave of the tech is to stop trying to sell to people, sell to enterprise, the usecases are more solid and don't require strange economic games to function.

You will be using blockchain tech, but if its deployed right. You will never know. Do you know or care what app server or db your provider uses? of course not.

Issue has been the workflow for that, everyone wants something that works with thier phone and self-updates. Also have only seen a couple good air-gapped signers. No one likes the offline signer story except finance governance ppl so far.

I think we are grasping for new words here really, its only been in the last few years orgs have been exploring actual deployments internally.

I do have a very reductive definition of "blockchain" as I believe it is what it says. what is considered "satoshi's vision" includes a blockchain system but it does not define the word.

HL is a blank canvas that allows you to deploy whatever consensus you want including those commonly found in public chains, it is entirely possible to run a hyperledger instance that is compatible with any network you would like, presuming you would want that effort.

the issue with the hardware wallet is not a "simple math" problem but a "trust" issue. in reality you simply can't trust any hardware you didn't make yourself, in practical use we usually pick vendors we like and decide to trust them.

for example. many people considered ledger trustworthy until they introduced firmware that indicates a capability to exfiltrate the keys.

I think the problem you are speaking to was some older hardware keys (and maybe some strange off brands) that encode keys at the factory, to my knowledge no major product does anything like that and they take pains to show you are generating the key. the big back and forth there has been with hardware providers using methods that are potentially reversible or other types of vulnerabilities.

Yes pretty much all devices will allow you to import a key you have generated by whatever means you prefer, however once you put it on the device you are signing up for the other issues that come with hardware still.