cross platform chat alternative to facebook messenger?
linuxPIPEpower @ linuxPIPEpower @discuss.tchncs.de Posts 23Comments 162Joined 2 yr. ago
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I have seen it but never tried it. I kind of got the impression it was like a novelty/experimental thing rather than a general purpose serious application. Is that incorrect?
Does your email account get filled up with bazillions of messages? I once installed an app that "backed up" all my SMS to email; it made 1 email for every SMS. It was terribly annoying because when searching mail for something all these irrelevant scraps of old conversations ago clutter up.
Or do you just have a separate mail account to use on chat?
Do you have the impression that I have not actually had the problems I am describing? Like I just read online that other people had problems? Not the case. As I said after you assumed I "only tried Pidgin 🤦♂️" I have tried lots clients.
but it is a bit unfair to blame that on xmpp, when Pidgin has not updated their xmpp implementation for more than 10 years 🙄
Who is blaming anything on pidgin? you are the one who brought up pidgin.
The join jabber link is very nice and I didn't find it before. But I actually tried the 2 linux clients they recommend: dino and gajim. And between us, going from memory I think we have tried all but 1 of the recommended servers.
The impression I got from digging around in repos (which I don't really want to be doing just to get a messaging app tbh) is that the problems we had are legit open issues in some cases. But it is hard to diagnose because the client developers don't have knowledge/control of the end user's local environment or the server set up. And likewise the server admins don't know the internals of every single client. End users with problems are challenged to collect all the required information. Here is an example from gagim: Chat History Sync Issue (#11380)
I do not think it is fair to characterize that user as a "badly informed online pundit". They have a problem and it is basically too complicated to resolve with the available resources. There is probably some unknown contributing factor.
Help! I just want to chat!
Don’t worry! If there are no Snikket services that would give you an invite and if you are unable to run your own, Snikket may not currently be the right app for you.
Sorry that was pretty unclear lol
I was linking to another comment I wrote in this thread about this very strange cryptocurrency-based chat thing. I sort of had the impression maybe you have some prior knowledge of this. I never heard of it and find it puzzling just what the heck they are up to. I am not gonna use it because it smells bad. But am now interested to know what sort of business is going on. The person who recommended it sounds very satisfied with the chat interface. Why/how is it attached to crypto? Just.. so weird.
Well I will say that I totally didn't predict crypto would pop up in this thread. Curious.
getsession.org > Technicals > Documentation > Overview
In exchange for maintaining reliable and trustworthy blockchain nodes, node operators periodically receive rewards in the form of $OXEN tokens.
It sounds like what it is saying is that people who host the remote servers are paid in this crypto currency for the service. Cryptocurrency is mainly useful for laundering money and scamming people. I am having a hard time understanding (a) how there is enough demand for this niche chat service that it should play a major role in their little economy, and (b) where the usefulness of this crypto (e.g. value in fiat so you can do anything with it) could possible some in. Other than scams, laundering etc.
After that comes
It's so... weird... to have all this as the introductory docs. Not a troubleshooting guide or dependency info but all this crazy scam BS.
I see that you are saying this crypto stuff doesn't intrude on the app. Like you are not getting popups trying to scam you; OK. And you think the app is really good. Can the server/app could be de coupled from all this other stuff? Could it be run independently of this fake economy? That's what I don't understand about this "not crypto" blockchain stuff. If it's not crypto, why is the documentation all about crypto instead of normal user or dev manual?
I appreciate the time to answer the question. But I have to be honest this feels icky. Don't you get the feeling something sleazy is going on? At any rate when these people get caught or cash out won't everything vanish?
Here I was expecting to learn license preference of devs working in russian, tagalog, spanish....
I really agree with you on principal. I have been to the library with a 3d printer and I even took their little workshop about how to use it.
I have been hesitant to actually do so because I feel like I would go all the way there and try something, wait for ages for it to print, then realize I made one little mistake, and have to go back home, fix it, make another reservation, make another trip down.... The amount of iteration I anticipate while learning to use a technology like this is substantial. Historically I have been a very "trial and error" type of person---- heavy on the error.
I have always been curious, of people who use the public-access 3d printers, how many of them started out learning in that environment? I feel that it would be quite prohibitive to learn the basics. Maybe if you had learned it previously the shared printer could be a good resource.
Anyone here done much on library or other community 3d printers as a novice, and what was your experience?
@rbn@feddit.ch made a well structured comment using bullet points. It can be read pretty quickly but I guess the tldr is the last line:
There is a lot of uncertainty when using AGPL software in a business context which will - in many cases - lead to the decision not to use the software at all.
if you want to know why you have to spend 20 seconds reading the preceding text.
so if you click documentation on the session website it brings you to this page https://docs.oxen.io/oxen-docs/products-built-on-oxen/session
I am seeing the words "blockchain", "economics", "token", "instant transactions".... And one click to NFT crypto stuff.
I remember hearing that blockchain tech could be used for stuff other than scams but it is used for scams a lot and this app seems to be related to scam-type activity.
Can someone provide any insight?
https://getsession.org/ their website is an incredible abuse of mouseover omg...
Does SimpleX have the ability to share the conversation history across devices?
That is a great chart. Do you think it's up to date? One issue I had was trying to discern very old from current materials.
Thanks, we don't need high level security, just a reasonable modern attempt at it. Due diligence. I had a hard time understanding what kind of encryption we "should" use.
I tried SchildiChat and I liked it except for all the problems that seems inherent to matrix.
pidgin, gadjim, chatty, dino, kaiden, psi, psi+... some other ones
it isn't automatic from what I have found. vague "omemo"-related errors are popping up here and there.
what set up do you suggest where the experience is simple? it seems that there are a bunch of standards which servers and clients have varying support for. plus there is a plugin architecture for lot of them which extends or changes functionality, or it matters what version of libraries were used in compilation, and many other little details.
I believe that some people do have a seamless experience but ours hasn't been. If there is some sort of documentation describing exactly how to get going I would appreciate it.
I mean a gallon of anything is a lot but if you drank too quickly I think you'd just vomit
It wasn't millennials who started that one. I heard it from my genx history teacher. Who honestly I had a lot of respect for at the time, maybe because he told us stories like that, but the more I learn about the world the more I find he was so full of shit and he was like my favorite teacher so its disappointing. One of these days I'm going to find out that the Maginot Line was actually a great idea and if you are France after WW1 you should always build the Maginot Line.
Re Catherine the Great's horse thing, my understanding is that the stories were contemporaneous with her rule and that all powerful women in europe had similar sorts of things said about them. There as a whole early tabloid industry describing in detail the various imagined exploits of Marie Antoinette.
@15liam20@lemmy.world shared a great link for FIT. From the same website: FOBT = Fecal Occult Blood Test
- FIT/FOBT: low-cost, low-barrier, easy and 100% safe test done by the patient themselves at home
- Colonoscopy: expensive, resource-intensive, onerous, invasive, time-consuming and while usually safe there are complications up to and including death
Even though an individual colonoscopy is more sensitive than an individual FOBT/FIT, regular use of FOBT/FIT is probably more effective overall on the population level. Unlike a colonoscopy, it is reasonable to repeat the FOBT/FIT every 1-2 years. Screening colonoscopies are usually done at intervals of 10 years. So imagine if you start doing colon cancer screening in 2023. In 2024, you start to develop cancer. If you are screening by colonoscopy, you will have to wait until 2033 to find it, unless you have symptoms in which case you are in trouble! (The whole idea of screening is you don't wait for symptoms.) Also it is important to remember that in the real world, people hate colonoscopies, health care is not always perfectly accessible, life gets in the way etc so it could be even more delayed. But if you are doing your FIT/FOBT every 1-2 years you will likely detect it fairly quickly. People are much more likely to actually go through with FIT/FOBT testing compared to colonoscopies. Then when you get the positive FIT/FOBT result, you'd be sent for a colonoscopy (or some other equivalent) for the confirming diagnosis.
If you are being recommended colonoscopy as a regular-risk person on the basis of age, your health system is not serving you well. Compared to colonoscopies, regular FOBT or FIT testing has an insignificant risk of complications (bowel perforations, death etc) and is easily conducted at home without the unpleasant "preparation" required of a scope. If done every 2-3 years they are at least as (and maybe more) effective at detecting cancer compared to a scope.
me neither! and I have not desire to become one. :D
It has been a big surprise to see how involved you have to get and how much complex understanding is required just to chat. And in my group of friends I am one of the more power user types. If I struggle to use something, then I can't recommend it to others. So far everyone is really discouraged and I think it is reflecting quite badly on the concept of moving away from corporate/proprietary solutions. And FLOSS. It seems like just not viable for average users. :(
In this kind of situation we don't have unlimited chances to try all different options one by one. because in requires a coordinated effort for multiple people to make accounts, set up devices, learn new software etc. People do not have time for that on demand. I think for most people, you have 1 shot at this kind of thing, if any. And if they are not FLOSS-type people they will be basing their opinions of all of FLOSS alternatives on the experience.
Patience is wearing thin. I think if the next thing we try doesn't work, then it'll be back to facebook/whatsapp/sms for the next 10 years. So I want to find a viable suggestion or be able to manage expectations and adapt to what is realistic.