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Biden cannot unilaterally send aid to Israel without apportioned money being approved by Congress. You may have forgotten this was the stumbling block to getting aid to Ukraine in the first place that stalled for a year thanks to Republican obstructionists?

Yes, AIPAC plays both sides. They still preferred Trump as president. Connect the dots as to why.

I'll just repeat what was obviously, desperately deflected:

Genocide (a) has a spectrum of severity and is not a boolean function, while (b) Gaza isn't the only place an attempted Genocide is currently being carried out; Ukraine is another place — and it is abundantly clear that both Biden and Harris were better than the Putin-sympathizing puppet that is Trump. So now YOU are complicit with blood on your hands of WORSENING not one but TWO genocides. So I'm sorry but your logic still is not holding any amount of water. Read again: If Biden is indirectly complicit in Palestinian Genocide, then so too are you for voluntarily making it worse in both Gaza, AND Ukraine.

Nah, we can argue that the conservative AIPAC that has lobbied our government for decades and put both parties into a bind of blindly supporting zionism at the risk of otherwise being labeled antisemitic as being part of the root problem.

There's a reason both Bibi and AIPAC wanted Trump reelected, and logically, you've only exacerbated the suffering of Palestinians everywhere.

Genocide (a) has a spectrum of severity and is not a boolean function, while (b) Palestine isn't the only place an attempted Genocide is currently being carried out; Ukraine is another place — and it is abundantly clear that both Biden and Harris were better than the Putin-sympathizing puppet that is Trump. So now YOU are complicit with blood on your hands of WORSENING not one but TWO genocides.

So I'm sorry but your logic still is not holding any amount of water.

The stupidity is with these fools thinking Trump would be better for Palestinians.

If it wasn't obvious with Trump moving the embassy to Jeruselum and telling Bibi to, "Finish the job" while privately meeting with Bibi to likely stall a ceasefire agreement pre-election to make Democrats look back, Trump definitely is fully enabling of said Genocide, likely making it worse (eg, you think he would've pressed for a humanitarian aid route into Gaza? FUCK no.)

So then the logical thing to say in an inevitable binary-choice election is: "if Trump and Biden/Harris are equally bad on Israel/Palestine policy (they're not), is Biden/Harris better on other issues, notably domestically, like oh I don't know women's rights and climate change?" You bet your ass.

Hence why couch sitters and Stein voters piss me off far more than Trump supporters, themselves; for they should know better. Yet they fell for the online astroturfing disinfo wars. Drank the Russian vodka.

Edit: The user below keeps curiously deflecting, so I'll just cut to the chase by going above:

Genocide (a) has a spectrum of severity and is not a boolean function, while (b) Gaza isn’t the only place an attempted Genocide is currently being carried out; Ukraine is another place — and it is abundantly clear that both Biden and Harris were better than the Putin-sympathizing puppet that is Trump. So if you didn't vote, worked against Harris, voted Stein, etc. then YOU, too, are complicit with blood on your hands of WORSENING not one but TWO genocides.

Chief architect? After the damage conservative reefer madness and Reagan's campaign had..? I don't know about that.

To Biden's credit he repaired his relationship with the black community in the years since.

As if conservative Republicans weren't controlling the national narrative on this in the first place, akin to Bush going, "You're either with us or you're with the terrorists"

Oh I'm sure Trump will be far more amicable to the plight of Palestinians. Go tell tell them what you did! They'll be so proud!

You can live in this alternative fairy tale fantasy where we had some 3rd option; I'll remain firmly planted in reality where there is a gradient of harm inflicted, and the election was a binary choice.

Say how'd your vote for Stein go? Shucks, if only she had like 49% more votes... So close, right?

Good sir/madam, I'm deflecting merely to the elephant in the room. Why focus on the little fish on the eve of the big fish entering office?

Let's just see how good Trump is for Palestinians going forward ;)

Don't forget to pat yourself on the back for this pyrrhic victory.

Not exactly thinking this through with any depth when the fallout is cementing the greater genocidal administration.

Strange how Bibi and AIPAC wanted Trump to win. I'm shocked I tell ya.

So ultimately he was doing less than what Trump did do in his first term, and said he would do. Got it.

So he did not say that, or move the embassy to Jeruselum and merely continued the same track, as I had already said and without any sort of rebuttal, considering the a) damage to Democrats and b) Trump reversing course the second he gets into office anyway.

Moot.

My points still stand.

Nothing like perfection being the enemy of good, is that right?

It always amuses me how people will criticize someone for doing a good thing despite the fact that the alternative choice... Did nothing. Especially when the likes of you would never come to Biden's defense when the right wing propaganda machine drones on endlessly about, "Biden releasing convicted felons back into put crime ridden streets!!"

Friendly reminder regarding that Birmingham Letter:

It was later that those same liberals passed Civil Rights legislation in Congress. Sure wasn't the southern Conservatives now, was it? lol.

Nay. Much easier to throw peanuts from the peanut gallery. To blame the good guy for not being better; not the villain who made action necessary in the first place.

I wish more people understood this.

Oh? When did Biden say to Bibi, "Finish the job."? In addition to providing arms to Israel over the course of Trump's first term, he also moved the embassy to Jeruselum. Did Biden do that? No siree.

If you weren't aware, they had a falling out over the course of 2024 with reports indicating this as early as February. Before that I might be inclined to agree, Trump's lack of moral character notwithstanding.

No, I said Biden restricting weapons would earn him criticism from Israel, as well as domestically. Huge difference.

To reiterate the dodged points:

• Circular Reasoning Fallacy: We have yet to establish that Trump had anything to actually do with the ceasefire beyond unreliable sources, speaking from anonymity, cited by yet another unreliable source controlled by the PM who sought Trump's reelection in the first place.
• Given both Bibi and Trump's propensity for showboating, this is all political theatrics to make Trump look good. If I was a piece of shit like them, I'd do the same thing.
• A ceasefire is utterly meaningless by this point anyway. If you haven't noticed, Trump told Bibi to "Finish the job," and Bibi pretty much did. There isn't much left in gaza to cease firing upon in the first place. The damage is done.

Trump and Bibi are closer than Bibi and Biden. If you can't grasp this, you will in time.

As I said, truly remarkable you trust Arab figures speaking on anonymity and Donald Trump's word for what he supposedly did.

Tell me, did he "do the weave"? Lmao.

Forgetting you sourced Times of Israel. What a gem. What's next, RT?

What a colosally flimsy house of cards to build the hill you're choosing to die on.

Between November 5th and now would have done exactly jack shit. Especially when that would be immediately reversed by Trump anyway. Besides, it's not as though the Democratic party ceases to exist. What makes you think Israel still wouldn't do that in order to justify even worse atrocities, then blame Democrats anyway? That's what's called a High Risk / Low Reward play.

But nah man, keep believing Trump will be better, or hell even "equally bad." If you genuinely care about Palestinians, then you're about to get a wake-up call. Moving the embassy to Jeruselum while telling Bibi to, "Finish the job." Well, mission accomplished I guess.

Though with anonymity and online astroturfing operations I cannot rule out the viable alternative.

Truly I cannot believe how after all this time and everything Trump and Bibi has done that people are still naive enough to believe they're acting in good faith and not entirely for political optics. Absolutely remarkable.

Because if I wasn't clear the first time, it's bullshit.

Let's invoke a thought-experiment and play said hypothetical out:

1. Stops sending weapons.
2. Bibi conveniently ignores intelligence if another real or false flag October-7th like attack.
3. Democrats lose with certainty, accused of both being Antisemitic (by Russian, Israeli bots, AIPAC, etc.) and leaving poor Israel defenseless against evildoer terrorists.

Ah yes. Sound strategy.

lol bullshit. This is showboating political theatrics.

Bibi and Trump are playing their respective games but make no mistake: Bibi already got everything he wanted moving forward. Couldn't have been more obvious, too, that Bibi and Trump were in direct discussions about preventing a deal pre-election in order to help Trump win.

This is no different than Trump and Putin's public optics, and no different to how Trump undermined the border security bill.

When incels have complete control, basically.

"People to people are so unjust."

It's like we forget we're all the same species flying around on the same rock in these cosmos.