lemillionsocks @ lemillionsocks @beehaw.org

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It seems like eventually you guys are just going to wind up on an message board. At the end of the day it seems what beehaw wants more than anything is just a safe well maintained space to discuss and isnt hung up on federation or growth.

Federation was a nice way to be(e) seen and get new like minded members, but if the lack of mod tools make curating this community difficult, then its not a good fit. Unless some better lemmy compatible alternative or fork rises that gives you what you need, it sounds like the choice will inevitably be what kind of message board software you want to run.

For me fediverse seems to be the answer to the current state of social media. The modern internet is big. Participation in the big things and an audience are a barrier of entry for competing services to rise up and replace the giant social media juggernauts that rose up in the late 00s and early 10s.

Granularity was actually a strength of reddit. The default subs on reddit and threads that hit /r/all have been bad for more than a decade now. But there were smaller communities beneath the surface that had better discussion and better communities, and niche interests, and you could lose yourself deep in a better reddit who's front page was nothing like the default. The unfortunate consequence of this granularity and perceived openness was that this meant that early on when people would have otherwise jumped ship to something new they just subscribed to /r/truethatsubredditthatdeclined /r/smalllocalcommunitysubreddit and something super high quality like /r/askhistorians or created their own communities. Of course the website would keep growing itself and be run by the same people who cultivated a bad default page.

Federation is the concession that modern internet users want larger interconnected networks. In the case of lemmy, we want something granular like reddit which allows us to have access to a large network of users while also being able to scale down and become granular and specific. But with federation it's able to be done in a way that is decentralized. In a way that prevents one major player from controlling everything. If reddit decides to make poor decisions or just becomes insufferable we dont have to go to reddit.com/r/better reddit, we can shift over to someones own original creation bleddit. Ideally the decentralized nature should means that the "default sub" wasnt the source of all creativity in the first place.

In practice I dont know if it will ever work. The big sites have so much momentum and critical mass its hard to shed off even a few new users. Look at how big twitter still is while Elon is literally tanking their service and while multiple competitors rise up next to him. One can hope that enough users are shed off the big sites to at least make the smaller pockets of the web viable and lively, but it will be some time yet.

Oh yeah that does work as well, but I decided to give the open source front end a try as well and enjoyed the experience enough to keep at it.

I am Geordie please insert girder

A lot of moderated instances with vague rules like that have quite a bit of nuance. The mods usually arent jerks looking to ban everyone who doesnt agree with them, and if they are then they did you a favor good riddance. One of the issues with the classic "but mah free speech" sea lioning that occurs on reddit is it makes it hard to actually keep things moderated and civil. People get outraged and start going "the rule says that Im not allowed to be an asshole, but I was specifically being a asshat and I think if you really wanted no asshats you should make a rule about it"

Which does lead to granular rules that actually do remove nuance and discretion from enforcement.

I dunno I enjoyed my 20s quite a bit. In my 30s not and still dont quite feel like theyve ended its weird(though the amount of drinking and going out I did has gone down quite a bit).

This kind of parsing is dangerous and its how bad actors are able to infiltrate and get into power. Yes totalitarian communists didnt practice it in their true form and were totalitarian dictatorships, but its dangerous to pretend like they didnt sprout organically from a communist movement, and didnt identify and define communism for decades.

Stalin wasnt a nazi no matter how much he fits the bill more and it's important to recognize them in your ranks clawing for power and waiting to take advantage of good will.

And you are extremely out of touch if you think tankies could ever manifest into anything more than a threat than a Unabomberesc bad actor.

We've literally had and still have totalitarian regimes that claimed to be communist what the hell are you talking about?

This is more a lemmy thing. Tankie is an older word but like you dont usually run into stalinists in the wild too much. The Lemmy creators and one of the biggest instances when the site was still small was a communist one promoting not just like the ideal of communism but legit stalinism.

As a result there was a lot of weird very pro russia pro china pushback and whataboutisms on the platform in the early days before the number of non stalinist users drowned them out

I know this is a silly meme but my issue with not wanting to pay for youtube is 3 fold.

1.Theyre a monopoly. Google bought out the plucky streaming service on the rise(and honestly if it wasnt google it would have been someone else) and then continued to build up momentum and squash the competition. There is no competition. Daily motion and vimeo and peertube exist, but they dont really compete with youtube anymore.

Google can complain all they want about how it's expensive to host 4k videos from anyone who wants to upload and how all the global traffic makes their service unprofitable but given theyre a giant corporation, if it didnt bring them value they wouldnt be doing it and if it is a hole theyre putting money into then it's an hole they dug for themselves.

2.Google sucks at dealing with their creators. The lifeblood of the site is that it is the default platform for video content creators because its so big. Unjustified DCMA takedowns which ruin a persons livelihood and are difficult to appeal, their demonetization and essentially delisting from the algorithm of nsfw videos(which can happen if a key word is detected or a specific type of image, that recent issue with the big youtuber doxing another and getting a slap on the wrist, and the changes made to algorithms that hurt creators and shape content.

Like how the comedy sketches and animators that were prevalent in the early days got squeezed out because the algorithm favored longer videos and a steadier stream of content. Or a case where a youtuber got his own song DCMA'd because another artist remixed his music. And thats not even getting into the poor compensation from ads that means creators need to use sites like patreon to get by. "Oh but if you pay premium your views count more" wow how nice of one of the biggest most valuable companies on earth.

They also have no easy way for even decent sized creators with millions of subs to appeal or get a hold of them, let alone one in the 100s of thousdands or tens of thousands mark. All ai reviewed and ai resolved.

3. The algorithm debacle. Its fickle tweaks have indirect impacts on creators and at worst it has been known to feed into conspiracy theories and red pill people into extremist pipelines and it took google way too long to address it. Even when it works well it can still push a lot of the same content. But its arbitrary nature an be a windfall on some seasons for one type of creator and tank another.
4. Honestly even if all else failed and adblock stopped working I would probably just watch the ads. It's like a 15 second clip in the beginning if you skip and a minute worth of ad 10 or 15 minutes later. Im not gunna say I love it but do you people not remember what watching tv was like or reading magazines, or have you ever had a bus drive by you? I can live with the minor amount of mostly skipable ads I'd get an hour especially if it means Im not paying.

Yeah I need youtube premium in order to enable background play on the official app. This is ridiculous, especially on a mobile operating system that made fun of the competition because it didnt have true multitasking. Ever since then it's kinda been it for me. Like I cant multitask on my computer device because you want me to pay a subscription? No thanks.

Since youtube has been starting to wage war against adblock I decided to try out using freetube and have been enjoying it. It does have some limitations but since its not tied to the algorithm it reminds me of how I used to have to browse youtube in the older days. Also I feel like the up-next option is way more valuable than it is with the algorithm. Instead of being based off of what I watch its like the old method so it might recommend more vids from the creator or channels like the creator.

Instead of stuff that Ive already watched or am already subscribed to, or that one weird thing the algorithm is pushing for no reason that I keep ignoring but it keeps shoving at me.

Discovery requires a little more creativity with searching and for some categories this can get broad, but the result is finding more teeny tiny creators as well which is neat.

the nazis and we were cool with that cause fuck nazi's

Im reminded of this short diddy https://youtu.be/9ywnLQywz74

Ive been unsreasonably excited by how Im able to interact with youtube in a way that is more similar to the pre algortihm days.

Honestly its hard to say for me. Generally I dont usually pay full price for games unless its a franchise I know I know I really enjoy and the general critical and user reviews confirm it isnt a dud. I usually dont find myself unhappy with my game purchases though. If Im usure about something I wait for a sale.

Did a quick calculation and found that a 60$ game needs to be 35hrs to break even with movie prices edit: *where I live

How much do tickets cost where you live? Even using older $10 per seat prices and an average run time of 2 hours I come down to $5/hr. Also probably not just going out to a theater alone so if you're bringing a date or your family, or even going with friends for a collective experience that balloons quite a bit.

You know its kind of surprising it took this long for someone to challenge it, but then again in this case the defendant isnt a major entertainment or recording company.

Hmmm. I dont exactly want to cheer on the music publishing copyright industry, but AI infringing on creative spaces is certainly an issue especially when its trained using someones data without their consent.

Im surprised they arent chomping at the bit to train these AIs so that they can use the end result to give us AI driven artists, but I guess their knee jerk reaction to do a dcma takedown is too strong.

Back when reddit was smaller and more community driven, and went down more often, it was pretty much known to not do much. You got access to a gold subreddit and it was more or less a way to donate to a website you used a lot.

This made more sense when reddit was a small community driven upstart with frequent meetups, and secret santas, and a smaller feel.

Then reddit became one of the biggest websites on the web and I dont quite get why people kept doing it.