I didn't know about Nostr, and honestly, thank you for letting me know. I find the idea behind the protocol to be pretty interesting, but wouldn't use it myself. I'm not keen on the idea of removing moderation altogether.
However, I do think that it's about time we rethink how moderation works on the Internet, and the fediverse should be a good place to start doing so. Perhaps my biggest gripe with the fediverse is that moderation works exactly the same as in corporate social media. Right now, moderators are picked under discretion of whatever the criteria of the admin are, and they are not subject to "the will of the people" so to speak. If a mod or admin acts in bad faith, the only recourse for the rest of the users is to leave, and maybe setup your own instance if you have the technical know-how. And while corporate media admins are somewhat constrained by investors, fediverse admins don't have to respond to anyone. Which is better than being bound by investors, but here, admins can and do take harsh decisions on a whim without having to justify anything to anyone. Which is honestly not a good thing.
So, while I imagined the fediverse as some network of interconnected small, self-managed communes, what we actually have is a network of petty fiefdoms, some of which do listen to their users even though they are under no obligation to do so, and others outright don't. I don't mean to say that centralized services are better at this, but in the end I'm having some of the same problems regarding arbitrariness of moderation and admin decisions here that I had on Reddit and Twitter.
I see the fediverse as the future of social media, but not in its current form. The way it currently works keeps us bound to drama and petty feuds between admins of instances, and that is unavoidable while large fedi platforms are hosted by single people or very small groups of people. Perhaps the way that this could be avoided would be by using a protocol that enforces decentralization of hosting, like Nostr does. I imagine it would work sort of like a torrent, where we are all sharing and hosting the instance or the communities we use, whether completely or only partially. Or perhaps an instance is made out of multiple relays which are hosted separately. This way, we wouldn't have issues such as admins unilaterally defederating instances because of a disagreement or stuff like that, since we'd all be admins in a way.
I wouldn't want to do away with moderation, but decisions such as who gets to be moderator, who gets to keep being moderator, and who we ban, fed with or defed from, is consulted via democratic process enforced by design. Otherwise, it's not going to be meaningfully different from centralized media once the big instances become big enough.
I'm missing r/vexillologycriclejerk. Sure, it always was the same joke for like a month, but it used to be one of the highlights of my daily Reddit experience.
If they're unaffected by gravity, chances are they don't have mass. If they don't have mass, they're not constrained by the Higgs field, which in turn means that they can never move at any velocity below light speed.
Their unfortunate fate is to roam across all of space at the maximum possible velocity in perpetuity.
I used to run a yay -Syu on my system almost daily.
Now, I run a pacman -Syu once every 2-3 weeks, and I only ever update a package from the AUR if I do need it updated or is there a serious vulnerability.
Turns out I don't have a real need to have my personal system running bleeding edge new software at all times. Sure, the updates are larger, but I no longer feel like risking my system stability on a daily basis. I'm a lot happier this way.
You pull animal-like creatures from their natural habitats to make them fight each other in a way that they somehow consent, in a franchise that systematically weeds out the good ideas from each game while retaining the bad ones.
Yeah, I agree. I just think the decision to defederate should not be taken unilaterally & on a whim by admins. I don't know why it took them so long with exploding heads, but if it was because they were consulting the userbase, I can see a justification for it taking so long. Defederating from Hexbear on the other hand, before telling anyone and even before they have the chance to federate back, is unacceptable IMO
Same, ever since I joined lemmy.world I had a feeling that they were way too trigger-happy with the defederation button, but I was trying to not pay a lot of mind to it and just assume good faith in the admins. But the Hexvear fiasco was absolute bullshit that made that assumption impossible for me. And I don't even particularly care about Hexbear lol
So I have been visiting other instances and made an alt account on lemmygrad just in case.
I usually support that sentiment, but it only applies when it is in your hands whether we listen or not. In this case, the admins singlehandedly decided that none of us can. This is pretty much a form of censorship IMO
I don't really know the reason, but it would be cool if that screen included a reason for defederation alongside the name of every defederated instance.
That said, wasn't Hexbear using a Lemmy fork that split off really early and then added lots of features of their own, making it particularly incompatible with the rest of the Fediverse? I read somewhere that federating with Hexbear was not possible at the moment and that it's unclear whether it will ever be possible.
I think leaving it up is just the path of least resistance to them. Censoring such an ever-present message is going to have more catastrophic consequences for their PR. Think of all the media talking about how Reddit's violent censorship is supressing what users have to say?
Plus, they're not honorable at all. They definitely have been deleting dissenting comments and deploying bots to astroturf all conversations about their new policies. The only reason why they're leaving the "fuck spez" messages is because it's purely symbolic while users feel vindicated and don't make a bigger stink.
Funny, just a few hours ago I was telling a friend that I noticed the opposite. This conversation started because while r/antiwork and r/work_reform had mostly incompatible ideologies, with antiwork being more radical, Lemmy suggested to me a community titled "Antiwork/Work reform" which is noticeably more status quo compacent. Additionally, the rate of posts going "capitalism isn't that bad, actually" and "fuck tankies" in my TL is higher than in Reddit.
I think this has to do with the amount of active users. If, say, 2% of active users are very vocal about abolishing wage slavery, if there are like 1000 users, that 2% is just 20 people, which wouldn't make a very active community, whereas if it's 100 000 users, then that makes 2000 people who can already make a sort of "echo chamber" where they can openly and actively discuss their ideas.
Also, not to forget that Reddit, like all mass social media, has algorithms meant to maximize your session lengths and that usually involves exposing you to more extremist ideas, both left and right.
Oh, it absolutely is that bad. I gave it a generous chance, I started using it since I signed up on Reddit and kept using it for a few months.
The sheer amount of inserted unwanted content, including but not limited to ads, and the fact that at the time I was using it, it lagged massively on phones that were not bleeding edge new, did it for me. I eventually switched to Sync and then Boost and it was a huge qol improvement.
Btw, this comment kinda feels like it's from a bot. I'm not accusing you of being a bot, but the "No one can tell why the app is so bad" part is sus, it was repeated by a lot of bots on Reddit, and it's certainly pretty easy to find people elaborating on the exact, specific details on why the official app sucks so hard.
I admit I wasn't intending to leave Reddit. Sure, I absolutely wasn't going to install the damn official app, but I browse Reddit way more on desktop that on my phone. But it turns out my time spent on Reddit absolutely tanked without me doing much. Lemmy turned out to be a better replacement for me than I expected, I could find a lot of interesting activity here unlike, say, Mastodon where I had to dig further.
That does not mean I left Reddit entirely lol, but I sure enter way less now.
Organic Maps is OSM-based? I switched to it for a few months for the reasons stated above, but it really did not work out for me. Mainly because it was lacking a lot of major locations and facilities in my city, and I could never reliably ask for indications. Plus it had no info on public transportation other than the subway, which was unfortunate. I guess it was because I'm in Europe? Either way I eventually had to switch back to GMaps 😔
If you don't disable the feature where it plays the videos directly in the thumbnail by hovering over it, it also counts as viewed if you let the thumbnail play for like 3 seconds. I hate it.
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I didn't know about Nostr, and honestly, thank you for letting me know. I find the idea behind the protocol to be pretty interesting, but wouldn't use it myself. I'm not keen on the idea of removing moderation altogether.
However, I do think that it's about time we rethink how moderation works on the Internet, and the fediverse should be a good place to start doing so. Perhaps my biggest gripe with the fediverse is that moderation works exactly the same as in corporate social media. Right now, moderators are picked under discretion of whatever the criteria of the admin are, and they are not subject to "the will of the people" so to speak. If a mod or admin acts in bad faith, the only recourse for the rest of the users is to leave, and maybe setup your own instance if you have the technical know-how. And while corporate media admins are somewhat constrained by investors, fediverse admins don't have to respond to anyone. Which is better than being bound by investors, but here, admins can and do take harsh decisions on a whim without having to justify anything to anyone. Which is honestly not a good thing.
So, while I imagined the fediverse as some network of interconnected small, self-managed communes, what we actually have is a network of petty fiefdoms, some of which do listen to their users even though they are under no obligation to do so, and others outright don't. I don't mean to say that centralized services are better at this, but in the end I'm having some of the same problems regarding arbitrariness of moderation and admin decisions here that I had on Reddit and Twitter.
I see the fediverse as the future of social media, but not in its current form. The way it currently works keeps us bound to drama and petty feuds between admins of instances, and that is unavoidable while large fedi platforms are hosted by single people or very small groups of people. Perhaps the way that this could be avoided would be by using a protocol that enforces decentralization of hosting, like Nostr does. I imagine it would work sort of like a torrent, where we are all sharing and hosting the instance or the communities we use, whether completely or only partially. Or perhaps an instance is made out of multiple relays which are hosted separately. This way, we wouldn't have issues such as admins unilaterally defederating instances because of a disagreement or stuff like that, since we'd all be admins in a way.
I wouldn't want to do away with moderation, but decisions such as who gets to be moderator, who gets to keep being moderator, and who we ban, fed with or defed from, is consulted via democratic process enforced by design. Otherwise, it's not going to be meaningfully different from centralized media once the big instances become big enough.