kicksystem @ kicksystem @lemmy.world

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Nice projection. I am not shifting blame, but since you've said this it shows you're obviously dealing with some massive cognitive dissonance. I have only been providing facts and sources dude. Animal agriculture is a massive source of problems for the planet. Besides all the things I have already told you: what do you think the leading causes of mass extincition, deforestation and global ocean and freshwater eutrophication are? Right...

You can disagree all you want, but climate scientists say it is so:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/20/vegan-diet-cuts-environmental-damage-climate-heating-emissions-study https://www.oxfordmartin.ox.ac.uk/news/201603-plant-based-diets/

Perhaps you might want to start citing sources?

Like what? What do people need that they can't get from a vegan diet?

I know they've changed their name, but they've not changed their position.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27886704/

I already told you it is true, but it means nothing. Animal agriculture is still an incredibly big part of the problem fucking up the planet right now. I think I have supplied you with enough data for that by now. Maybe read it?

I meant it in the context of agriculture. Out of the 20% global emissions caused by agriculture, most of it is caused by animal agriculture. I believe the stat is 18%.

Have you stopped and wondered how big a land mass the size of the US, China, Australia and the EU combined is? I am not sure how many shopping malls you have in mind.

Yes it is true, but it still is a moot point because "producing 1 kg of boneless meat still requires an average of 2.8 kg human-edible feed."

It's not patronising. It is just stating a fact.

https://www.andeal.org/vault/2440/web/JADA_VEG.pdf

If you could free up a land mass the size of the US, China, Australia and the EU combined, don't you think we could plants some trees?

Ok, you wait for the industry to change, while making the planet and its inhabitants die in the mean time. Take no responsibility and complain about large corporations fucking up the planet, while simultaneously funding them.

So it's inefficient like hell and causing a shit ton of greenhouse gasses. Have a look at the impact of some of these foods: https://ourworldindata.org/environmental-impacts-of-food#explore-data-on-the-environmental-impacts-of-food

https://ourworldindata.org/environmental-impacts-of-food#explore-data-on-the-environmental-impacts-of-food

Globally livestock consume about 6 billion tonnes of feed annually – including one third of global cereal production – of which 86% is made of materials that are currently not eaten by humans. Producing 1 kg of boneless meat still requires an average of 2.8 kg human-edible feed.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2211912416300013

and most of this 86% could be converted to other uses, including human-edible feed.

https://ourworldindata.org/less-meat-or-sustainable-meat

I don't know under which rock you have been living, but this is exactly what has been happening at a super rapid pace the last few years. I am not sure where you are from, but where I am from the vegan sections in the supermarkets are growing super fast with new and new vegan restaurants are popping up left and right.

Take this for example: https://plantbasednews.org/news/economics/lidl-vegan-food-price-meat-equivalents/ https://plantbasednews.org/news/economics/plant-based-food-retail-sales-record/

Also, it's always non-vegans who complain about what vegans should do. The world is dying, hundreds of millions of animals are killed each day and vegans are trying every fucking thing they can to try and stop the hurting. Let me tell you: vegans are out on the streets demonstrating, forming political parties and lobbying, transforming the food sector, doing medical research to show the (nearly entirely positive) effects of the diet, creating recipes and cookbooks, opening restaurants, helping people make the transition, doing critical animal studies, making documentaries, going undercover in slaughterhouses and factory farms, trying to get lab grown meat onto the market, arguing on the internet, etc. You've got no clue how much effort is being expended to try people like you to stop being part of the problem. How about you taking some responsibility? We'll keep trying in the mean time.

Except it's mostly animal agriculture that's destroying the planet. Animals are not at all efficient in converting crops to meat, dairy and eggs. It can take up to 16 kilograms of plants to create 1 kilogram of certain animal products. 77% of agricultural land is used to farm animals, despite it providing just 18% of the world's caloric intake. Researchers at the University of Oxford have found that if everyone went vegan, global farmland use could be reduced by 75%, the size of the US, China, Australia and the EU combined. Just imagine how much land could be rewilded.

And no, you absolutely don't need animal products in your diet to be healthy and thrive.

So now I'm curious: do you live in a food desert?

I think it is somewhat hard to change my outlook at this point. My reasoning is that truly devout religious people have been infected with a mind virus. They may be nice people or pretend to be nice people, but there is also the mind virus, which is ultimately not trust worthy. In general, if hard decisions need to be made by a third party that potentially have a big impact on my life I'd not fully trust a religious person.

In daily life I am very friendly with a bunch of religious people, but I mistrust the religious part of them.

100%.

I have that same problem with meat eaters too. How is it possible that we know we are brutally mass breeding and killing animals for food we don't need, is fucking up the planet and isn't all that healthy either, while at the same time also pretending to be civilized human beings that care about animals and the climare. And every time I raise the issue people make the dumbest excuses I have heard a thousand times...

People, once brainwashed into a way of thinking and behaving, can just be really hard to change even if you have all the arguments on your side.