kescusay @ kescusay @lemmy.world

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Vance isn't sounding quite as robotic now.

Why does Vance look so airbrushed?

That was a weirdly meandering non-answer.

Yeah, although it was oddly close.

Walz pointing out that Trump does diplomacy by tweet.

Vance is... just not answering the question. His delivery is weirdly robotic.

First question is about the Middle East and Iran's attack on Israel. Walz is talking about how we need steady leadership for dealing with that, contrasting it with Trump.

Started a little stumbly, but already seems to be finding his footing.

I didn't catch that. Are you sure?

It's pretty freaking hilarious that Vance is already planning to be in the "spin room" after the debate.

Alternate headline: "Tankies and Useful Idiots Pretend to Care About Gaza, Work Desperately to Destabilize the United States by Getting Trump Reinstalled as President"

Harris wants negotiations and a ceasefire. Trump wants Israel to pave over Gaza. If you actually gave a damn about Gaza, you'd be trying to get Harris in, and Netanyahu out of power in Israel.

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Oregonian, here. We need that water to flush our absolutely gigantic toilet so California can't have it!

Let the motherfucker burn...

You have got to be kidding.

https://time.com/6337474/javier-milei-argentina-president-cloned-dogs-advice/

What the actual fuck.

Alternate headline: Trump Neville Chamberlain suggests giving Vladimir Putin Adolf Hitler whatever he wants

Ah. So you mean violence. Got it.

if they wouldn't vote for Democrats...

...then - again - they get Trump for president. Like it or not, split the left and that's what you get.

I'm not being "adamant" about it, just realistic. Until we do away with FPTP voting, I will continue to encourage voters to pick the candidate that is furthest to the left and also has a good chance to win, because that's the pragmatic solution and the only route to viable third-party candidates.

Let’s break this down. Seems like you’re saying that unless my candidate wins or places second, my vote doesn’t matter.

YES. That's exactly what I'm saying. In a FPTP election system, that's literally how it works.

I'm not a fan of it. I'd love for a vote that goes to a third party to actually count in some way. But in the current system we all live under, that's not what happens. Instead, at best you get a Ross Perot - someone who pulls votes from both parties. He became a media darling for a while because of it. But you know what? All his voters may as well have stayed home, because he got neither first nor second place. We had Bill Clinton, we had Bush the Elder as a one-termer, and both Perot and his independent party faded into obscurity.

That won't change until we get rid of FPTP elections. That's a prerequisite for third-party votes mattering.

Until then, you have literally thrown every vote you've ever cast for a third-party candidate away. It didn't matter. And it even helped the candidate you were most ideologically opposed to.

If you dispute that, you dispute math.

That is a bizarre assertion that has nothing to do with what I'm saying.

You get Trump if you manage to convince enough people on the left to vote for third parties.