𝕛𝕨𝕞-𝕕𝕖𝕧 @ jwmgregory @lemmy.dbzer0.com

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this is a fair point, i don’t disagree. it’s valid to call me out on conflating ideas of common decency with absolute morality.

that said, there are certain things that if you do; definitely make you a bad person. i think to the recently viral tweet of the ivy league ethics & philosophy professor who was absolutely aghast at incoming students’ ideas of morality. it speaks to the problem in this thread.

no actually, i’m done sitting and acting like that sort of shit is acceptable, no thanks.

paradox of tolerance demands you completely and decisively shut these fucks down before they takeover your society with their shitty ass rhetoric of hate. i’d rather it begin and end here on a dinky little internet forum than 15 years down the line in another gettysburg. i won’t aid and abet in the breakdown of common norms and decency, as you so kindly suggested.

lmfao what a fucking excuse of a reason. i hope you know i hate you. not hyperbole. i hope everyone else knows i hate you too. like genuinely, and actually; blatantly being a terrible person like you are is a large part of what is wrong with the world and i despise every single one of you chucklefucks that inches us ever further away from common decency, day by day. life isnt some fucking game.

do you recognize you’re doing olympic level mental gymnastics throughout these comments in order to make the people you identify with in the internet story the good guys or are you just incredibly dense and/or like fucking with people for kicks?

seriously jesus fucking christ what about this in particular is making it such a good litmus test to root out shitty people? they’re all just immediately, unironically, unabashedly identifying themselves in the comments here, just like that lmfao.

absolute trash is absolute trash ig.

i’m an edgelord so nick drake

and you base that expectation on what?

hopes and dreams?

The reason humans and ants differ so much in morality is because of the difference in the subjective experience of being a person versus being an ant.

this is predicated on a false assumption. you don’t know ants and humans experience different subjective experiences, you just strongly suspect it. knowing =/= suspecting. which is why you follow this illogic down to an incorrect conclusion of your “expectation.”

the greatest challenge of our age is dispelling the victorian myth that knowledge of the real world is untouchable to us. the distinction between you and other does exist, but we are not locked out of the world. we can deduce real facts about things outside our perception.

the regress problem states that all human knowledge is axiomatic. this is a big ol nothing-burger of a refutation, it is true for literally every single possible proposition.

asking him to overcome this problem is so fucking far outside the scope of what you’re arguing about as to be ridiculous, you look silly.

hard agree i actually think france’s method of counting is pretty intuitive

this is definitely a vibe. no more cooky dale gribble types anymore, only weird race supremacist and shit nowadays.

but i will say that this,

We've pretty much taken all the mystery out of the world

is patently untrue. if you’re the kind of person to say there’s no more mystery to the world it’s more likely than not that you would’ve said the same thing hundreds of years ago too.

modern people get very preoccupied with the idea of the sum of all human knowledge. the reality is a lot more patchwork than it seems.

for example, most people would fail a basic physics exam. yet this knowledge is fundamental to the vast majority of discoveries made over the past centuries.

not even to mention how we overestimate the knowledge infrastructure we have in the modern period. information is not nearly as free or accessible as most would like to believe, but this is a separate can of worms.

just because “we” know something doesn’t mean we know something. there is still an absolute abundance of mystery in this world; it is a narrative lie fed to you that “everything has basically already been discovered.”

even in contexts that it seems obvious that the topic has been so well trodden as to be “solved”, like global exploration; it’s a myth “there’s nothing left to discover,” in any context. we haven’t even begun to map the vast majority of this planet. what’s under the seas, under the crust? we don’t know for sure.

exploration, math, physics, engineering, computation, the humanities, etc. don’t let anyone convince you that you were “born too late” to do these things. you live in the most golden age to learn, in fact. it isn’t a tragedy, common knowledge, it’s the most beautiful success of the human race. never before has the average person been so well-endowed to explore and discover.

all it takes is having an engineer’s mindset, to be curious. unfortunately being curious is a lot like being a good person. it sounds great and most people claim it as a personal trait, but the reality is that being curious or being a good person are skills that take actual work and effort to hone. just claiming to be curious or a good person doesn’t cut it, reality demands her actors be method.

i see a lot of people suggesting succession on both sides of the political aisle here nowadays.

it actually really hurts to read, hurts my heart, hurts my soul. every single time i see the opinion espoused.

we are one people.

i dont disagree with the general sentiment that the union shows signs of age, is falling apart, and for the most part serves to prop up places that are generally 3rd world shit holes (i.e alabama, the south) using the wealth of some of the richest economies to ever grace the earth (nyse, the entirety of california and the valley, etc.). in many ways, the union is an expression of imperialism over the american continent.

but again, we are one people.

to break apart the union would be tragic. millions would never see their dads and moms, brothers and sisters, family; ever again. many still yet would likely be forced to kill those very same people in order to wrought to reality the will of the "leadership with the balls to stop playing this failed experiment." it is a mockery of the value of human life to compare something of this gravitas with defederating a Lemmy instance, but i can see why you would want to make the comparison. it really isn't so easy, tho.

again, again, again; we are one people.

i will stand against secessionist rhetoric as long as i live. maybe some places in world would be better off without the union, for a time. overall, however, we as a people are far too intimately connected, far too ingratiated in each other's lives for secession to ever be a valid argument again. the number of lives ruined and extinguished is far too great a cost to make pursuing a breakup of the union worthwhile within our lifetimes.

we don't have to keep our relic from ole '76 forever, that isn't what this means.

it just means a rote breakup of the union is such a bad idea as to be idiotic. maybe the states would be better served by european union style confederacy. i don't know. i just know our destinies are extrinsically linked and we cannot change that;

we are one people.

The vast majority of protests are happening near the places where the people live. All the protests I have been too were not at the place of our government. It was our city and the next one. No long travel time and it still works.

maybe i could have phrased myself better. this is essentially what i mean by the first point. you only have the option of local protests in america, for the most part. the unfortunate reality is that for the millions of americans who's locality doesn't include those political seats of power, it actually doesn't work.

how many times in the news have you seen americans sitting in tiny local protests with their signs? how many times have you seen it actually lead to anything happening, other than a live demonstration of police brutality?

it doesn't work. americans by and large recognize this, their apathetic attitudes aren't some weird form of jackassery they are a rational response to their situation.

i don't know what we should do. but continually disparaging americans for their lack of will or protests isn't it. they're not protesting en masse because they live in a social and political climate that explicitly prevents them from doing so, and disarms them when they actually manage to do it.

"those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable"

-jfk

"i, -er -uh, would like the party plattah!"

-also jfk, but in clone high (the cooler jfk imo)

haha. that's fair. i'm a zoomer. seems really popular with younger english speakers to forgo the initial capitalization; it's part of how they codeswitch to see who is or isn't hip, or as the kids might say, "lit/cool/etc." has it's origins in like, early internet AOL, IRC, etc. and never seemed to die off going into modern forum/texting/internet culture. it promulgated into long-form writings with the pervasiveness of sites like facebook and reddit in the 2010s.

obviously, tho, you've been alive long enough to be making comments on lemmy so presumably you are aware of this to at least some degree and this whole comment is just more shittily capitalized sludge to sift through so i will digress.

i can see how if you are entirely used to reading english with proper capitalization rules it would be annoying and difficult to parse.

however, this style is definitely something that transcends myself or my personal trappings. i would recommend getting used to it because a large corpus of modern english media going forwards will feature it to varying degrees, like it or not.

my initial reply to you was flippant, reactionary, and misguided. for what it's worth, i do genuinely apologize and shouldn't have engaged in ad hominem. i won't delete it because, despite regretting the comment, it would be contrary to my ideas of free information (lmao that sounded cringe in my head and it looks cringe on "paper" but idk how else to say it).

i appreciate your genuine response and discussion.

you are correct in your analysis of democracy as an institution and the observation that there does truly exist a large contingent of people in the West who really do support and encourage what is going on as of late.

i shouldn't let my own feelings get in the way. i think my qualm is less about the claim "americans want this" and more about how it is phrased and the implications of that statement. it is reductionist in the same way a lot of actual fascist rhetoric is and it rubs me the wrong way.

i think there's actually a very interesting social/political philosophy question that will be demanding an answer during our lifetimes. we have a cultural reverence for democracy and liberalism in the west. they are strongly associated ideas. however, recent advances in statistical analysis seemed to have spurred a pushback against this assumption in the cutting edge of sociopolitical thought (i say recent but these ideas have their origins in the 60s and 70s, even earlier depending on your bar. recent in a "meta," societal sense). maybe democracy isn't the most liberating form of politics, maybe it inherently lends to developing neofeudal fascism; and maybe if there exists a form of organization that offers the individual more freedom and liberty, we have an obligation to attempt to overthrow democracy and establish it.

i think these were some of the most interesting ideas i was permitted to explore during college sociopolitical courses. of course, in retrospect, we very intentionally explored these ideas. because, as i said, these are questions that will likely be demanding an answer before we die, for better or worse. what do you think? how should we organize, as humans?

sure, because wanting people to recognize the exact nature of what is going on right now means i'm a stereotypical fat american imperialist pig-dog.

grow up.

it's happening here. it'll happen to whatever corner of this godforsaken world you had the (mis)fortune of being born to. stop it before it is too late. i know how easy it is to react flippantly. i watched people for the past 20 years of my life in america do the same thing and it led us directly down the path to neofascism. living in a world where the preeminent powers have fallen to authoritarian ideologues, you would be a fucking fool to be throwing stones.

your response genuinely meant a lot to me.

sanity needle in the insane haystack and all.

good luck from across the pond. you guys are in one of the least forgiving geopolitical positions on the world-stage. whatever the future holds for germany, it is significant.

i dreamed as a highschooler of "amerexiting" to germany in order to complete a program at one of the hochschulen. i'd be lying if i said i didn't still fantasize about it. i have an associate's degree and am working on a bachelor's here. maybe getting out is still possible, idk. i want to fix my home. not to be lame but i genuinely cried a little writing that. i don't want to leave. i want things to be better here, the people i care about to be cared for.

that seems less and less possible as the days drag on.

Either because some people didn’t bother to vote, or because on average, Americans really do support this bullshit.

no, americans do not "on average" support this. it wasn't just "some" people who "didn't bother to vote," it was the vast majority of our nation that did not vote. and it isn't strictly because of voter apathy. how fucking stupid do you have to be to believe 2/3 of americans are simply so apathetic and careless about their lives as to produce this level of electoral non-participation? occam's fucking razor my guy. it is significantly more likely and makes much more sense to recognize the reality that our democracy is a farce and most people practically were not allowed/given the opportunity to vote.

https://www.environmentalvoter.org/updates/2024-was-landslidefor-did-not-vote

americans do not "really support this bulshit." this is the exact sort of awful fascist-apologist misinformation that spurred me to make my post in the first place.

fuck you, you fucking fascist rat. stop outright lying to people to argue your point...

for those of you who aren't hellbent on spreading shit and misinformation, we're all in this together. good luck in the coming years guys.

nah WASP work ethic and the clock are the single greatest tools of oppression ever invented.

the propaganda of the clock is the most deeply entrenched enemy of the revolution.

if my fellow commies even recognized this i would be harping about it 24/7; but unfortunately even the crazies think you’re crazy on this one for some reason.

the clock isn’t real. it is unnatural to track minutes and doesn’t serve to increase productivity on an individual level at all. it was very, very recent in the west that the clock’s true form as the oppressor was well known and well fought against. i wonder how the bourgeballs managed to normalize schizophrenic timekeeping behaviors within 1-2 generations? not a topic that is easy to research.

i just see so many europeans online under the impression that the situation in america is uniquely american and not like, the rational end conclusion of a capitalist society (like the ones they also live in omg :ooo)

this is dangerous to think.

this exact rhetorical mistake is why my country has fallen to the fascist. don’t let it happen again

oh yeah, it’s surely a privilege to be allowed to participate in society.

the argument “driving isn’t a right, it’s a privilege” falls entirely flat on its face when there exist no alternatives for a large majority of people and their lives. hardcore boomer energy that blatantly ignores the reality on the ground.

i agree, there are people who shouldn’t drive. i wish i didn’t have to drive.

that simply isn’t feasible in the current reality, tho.

driving can once again be a privilege only after it returns to no longer being a necessity. it is the natural right of all peoples to participate in their society. i agree with the sentiment, driving is a privilege that should be earned. but we should do ground work to make that true, we can’t just ignore the real world and indignantly say whatever we feel like; real life isn’t harry potter and the symbols and words we create bare no direct power over reality. driving is not a privilege in todays america, you don’t get to be the arbiter of decision here. in a practical sense, driving is necessary. the right to transportation and movement evolves with the age, man; it doesn’t get narrower as time goes on in the way a lot of western law seems to want to imply nowadays.

“… get people off the road who shouldn’t be there in the first place…”

i get the sentiment but i think this is problematic.

who deserves the right to drive then?

i hear you, “people who are capable”. but real life isn’t so cut and dry. the way it works in america now is awful fs, you can back this up with death statistics fairly easily; however, i think this tribalistic “us vs them” attitude drivers get is emblematic of deeper problems in our culture.

everyone is all for the animal farm until they’re the other. cliche, i know, but it’s true.