I don't really need magic in my life, and I haven't seen where belief in magic has helped society at all. It is possible to have a moral framework without magic.
This is what I am saying. Convinced me that a zygote should not have rights. Note that talking about consciousness or the relative size of the zygote aren't relevant to whether a zygote is granted rights.
I think that if we want to charge people for murder if they attack a pregnant person and cause a miscarriage, then we naturally have to grant a zygote the right to life. However, just because we do this does not mean that right to life cannot be infringed. Human adults have a right to life until they attempt to kill someone, for example, at which point we say that their right to life is no longer as important as the other person's right to defend themselves.
I see no issues granting a zygote rights and still granting a pregnant person's right to bodily autonomy.
Its the only meaningful difference in this context. And don't think I'm giving a pass on the religion telling men what they can and can't do. That's also bigotry.
I flip between mobile and desktop too much to rely on any app-specific features. I do have connect but I usually just go to the webpage even on my phone.
Well, I suppose you're at least consistent. Most people agree that terminating a pregnant person's pregnancy against her will should be a murder charge, myself included.
Does that mean a woman can sell her zygote? I'm working through the implications.
You know, it's far simpler just to say "yeah, it has rights but in these circumstance this other person who also has rights has precedence."
I did find the original zygote comment pretty bad too btw.
I'm unsure what you're referencing. Is it something I said? If so, can you point it out directly? I want to improve myself if I'm saying something that's causing confusion.
I am an atheist. I do, usually, try to let the religious do their own thing as long as they're not forcing other people, but as far as I'm concerned, all religions make just as much sense as people that believe in astrology. I just wish society would start treating religion like astrology. Imagine the SCOTUS reaction if someone from Hobby Lobby suggested they couldn't provide birth control healthcare coverage because mars was in retrograde and they're born under the sign of Aries. haha
I don't think there needs to be a line at all. What pregnant person is waiting 4 months to decide to carry to term? If it's happening that late, it's because they've been forced to by medical circumstance, not idle fancy. Adding the line just makes it so there are edge cases where injustice can still occur. I suppose it would be just as effective to leave the late term stuff as "for medical purposes only" but I honestly don't think it's required.
I saw what you did. I've been saying over and over again that I am pro choice. I don't think the rights of a zygote supersede the rights of a pregnant person, without qualifier.
On this I am in agreement with you, and have never used that argument. The only valid argument is “government can’t force people into organ donation slavery”.
As I said elsewhere, I've had success by crafting a hypothetical wherein a person is forced by the government to provide a liver transplant to "save a life" and comparing it to forcing a pregnant person to give birth to "save a life". I think many people don't realize what power they're granting the government.
You should probably dial it back a little with the slavery part. While I'm sure you could justify it being there, it's not going to convince anyone that isn't already in agreement with you. Makes you seem a little out there. Just a tip.
Those people who have “changed their mind” on abortion haven’t done so through rational discussion with those who know
While it's entirely possible I was lied to, I have had people admit that I have changed their stance on abortion. Not a lot, but also not zero. You give up too easily.
Once white forced-birth mothers started dying, being forced to give still births, and crying on the witness stand
Undoubtedly, but wouldn't it be worthwhile to try and mitigate this instead of cynically waiting to take advantage of it?
I don't really need magic in my life, and I haven't seen where belief in magic has helped society at all. It is possible to have a moral framework without magic.