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  • no, im not confused.

    Harris/trump are not the only options this is a basic premise we're disagreeing on. Depending on your state/environment you have many choices across a range depending what you want to accomplish. if your in a swing state, then while you still have options they'll likely result in a bad outcome for you personally. 25+ pt states like CA/NY/MA, etc you can very effectively pressure your local reps by voting 3rd party. both you counter harris' policy positions within the party and with their personal positions.

    Your 'only those two' model is the childish model. What voting 3rd party candidate can do is leverage the fact a particular race is not competitive to push your other congressional reps towards particular positions. such as, climate change, abortion, israel/palestine/etc.

    it does not mean the individual is okay with either; its a acceptance of the fact harris will win in particular states and we're focusing on other issues for a variety of reasons, and point out the many flaws harris has is important is bumping those numbers.

  • And what has biden admin done to resolve it? How will harris be different? That is a congressional/texas issue; not a presidential one. otherwise it would have been prevented by the biden admin. unless you think biden hasnt done anything because he wanted those individuals to die.

    learn to properly focus your efforts. if you want an abortion protection down ballot is far more important than harris.

  • No its not that complicated. Israel are straight up shit stains generally speaking. Have been since they immigrated to Jerusalem and then ran a coup with western support. Imagine if Russians showed up in your backyard one day took over your house and then started killing your neighbors. Meanwhile china sitting there going 'looks good to me guys!'

    Swap out relative names with jews and usa.

  • And like all children your simple mental model doesnt apply to reality.

    My preference between harris and trump is harris.

    Me pulling the lever for harris will not change her result in my state. (Shes won)

    Harris is still an absolutely atrocious candidate who never would have won a democratic primary.

    Me pulling the lever for her only prevents me from pressuring my critters on certain issues.

    Your failure to apply priors to a situation is a you problem. I suspect this often leads you to incorrect conclusions in life as it has here.

  • I realized i didnt respond to your 'if everyone thinks as you do' proposition.

    Firstly most wont. We know this. Repeatedly elections show this. You have a few percentage points of people willing to make the call. Secondly, im in 25+ spread state. You'd need a candidate so unconscionably bad that 30% of the population would be willing to switch and even then it'd just be a 3 way horse race between the candidates.

    And trust me if that was the case the chatter would be far more dramatic.

    So no this is not a feel good vote. This is a vote to pump the numbers in my state away from harris so i can pressure my local reps on things like gaza.

  • man you really like tokens. bernie doesn't speak for everyone. hes a great man, and hes 100% correct harris is a better option. but hes not a blungeon you can use to beat people with. she won't get votes from individuals like myself until she commits to stopping a genocide. if she loses thats her fault.

    she has known what she has needed to do for at least 6 months. every single one of you absolutely know what she needs to commit to publicly to secure those votes.

    you're just unwilling to do it. either because you support what israel is doing or your too panic stricken to pressure harris to do the right thing because you don't know how many voters are for what israel is doing; but you know exactly who you can target if she stays the course and loses. you're disgusting and craven individuals.

  • child, shes well aware of whats going on in gaza. they, the biden admin, knows exactly the situation and they know its a genocide. They've known most of this year. I certainly didn't demand she look into it. I'm demanding she apply the US law as written to israel.

  • people are panicing because harris might lose and acting like morons towards anyone who doesn't unequivocally support her atm. add to that many people don't understand how the system works on top of it. 🤷 its no matter internet points are useless to me anyway. =)

  • sigh, child... bless your heart. you have to check into a book, a book that you had to prove who you were and where you live to be entered into. all that records is that you showed up. there is no record of who you voted for, unless of course you're one of the idiots who walks into the polls in full on trump billboard mode. if you worked polls you would know this or if you had any basic level of critical thinking skills.

    The only indication of your inclinations that are recorded is if you're registered for a particular party as well.

    Now as for voting in multiple places:

    1. requires multiple residents in multiple locations to pull off.
    2. you need to sign into two books before getting a ballot.

    presto: this dumbass voted in two locations. they don't need to know who you voted for to know you committed a crime.

    at this point its very clear you've never worked a booth or are incredibly handicapped on reasoning ability.

  • yes, she is. she has known about and abetted a genocide for the last year and has committed to allowing it to continue. you are also culpable since its clear at this point she won't change course. congrats.

    oh no, you won't forget I didn't support a genocide? oh dear. i'm horrified. maybe you should direct your anger at yourself first for not pressuring harris as I've been doing, and then harris next for being a monster who has been aiding and supporting a genocide for a year.

  • fun fact: we're more likely to fuck you for not behaving like decent human beings. 🤷 you live here too. next time learn to think less politically and more doing whats morally correct. its far easier and the outcomes tend to be better.

  • They matter, they're also protected by numerous laters in various states. trump won't change that and I have an easier time taking up efforts here to counter anything he does do than I do for those in gaza.

    The only person that is at fault is harris for failing to listen to voice of her base; I suppose people like you as well. since apparently emailing and telling harris and your reps to cut it out was too difficult for many of you.