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Russia, probably.

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Yeah especially if he pisses off say military or oil contractors... ((Looks at the article this comment thread belongs to))

A united Europe and an isolated America? Perhaps the latter part sure, but people who think what went down at the oval office is what Putin wanted I think are imagining too much. That was off-script, that messes up everyones plans, especially if Trump and/or Vance are indeed Russian assets. Russia very much intended on a terrible deal with Ukraine to be signed with Europe cheerily in step, now there is no deal so the fighting continues and Europe is united with Ukraine as though the war just started. And while I think China will do the smart thing and remain neutral, they could steal the spot of the number one global superpower if they united with Europe against Russia and USA (fat chance but just saying.)

These people worship their god almost identically to the way religious brain-rot peasants of the dark ages did, it's just their god is "The Markets," thinking it bears mircales through human sacrifice and suffering, except for the Divine bloodlines of their billionaire Kings and Queens their suffering is spared because "Where would society be without Kings billionaires." They think they're so smart and ahead of the game, they think their bank account proves it, when really they're dumber and less significant than a medieval peasant. Centrist free-market libertarians are a horrible, gutless bunch of egotistical twerps out there.

Yeah good to know that Americans aren't our allies in that anymore. Great. Double-fuck you to Americans right now, your comfortable cowardice and ignorance is putting the world in peril. Can't believe I might have to die because of you lot, after growing up there and hearing all your "America is the best!" bullshit with your flags and your pledge of allegiance. Fucking clown country.

Didn't like, every country do the draft in WW2 and it was barely enough to defeat the Nazis?

While open carrying guns.

Don't worry we'll all be forced conscripts soon to fight against the USA/Russia Axis Powers.

T-minus and counting...

EU citizen and i'd like to say your apologies are empty and hollow to us. Do something. This isn't a joke, this isn't hyperbole or a leftist talking point, you're under constitutional crisis. Do something.

Then do something about it. If you're still too hesitant or worried to show up to protests, then from Europe with love: Fuck you, go to hell.

Americans will only start to feel embarassment when they need to apply for asylum in other countries to escape the housefire they started. Good luck with that, btw. Oh yeah, and that day still won't be close to bottom. Friendly reminder that the turnover for food in the USA without resupply is 3 days.

I haven't seen any socialist or anarchists show up with guns to protect protestors from police with guns, nobody has since the 60s.

If as many people who turned up to vote would turn up to protest, things would change. Alas, liberals who think filling out the ballot is enough democracy for 4 years are not friends of democracy.

Americans would be so mad if they made time to read.

It is inevitable that capitalists will conquer their state

This I disagree. While we're seeing it keep winning and winning, and we might be put through all sorts of unimaginable hell's as it keeps winning, but human societies have been here before. A lot, in fact. People like to point at Mao's communist China and how bad that was, without knowing about the capitalist warlord China that preceeded it. Conquering the state by their means, such as violence or compromising/begging in grand halls? No, we'll never win, but nature always wins, it is the one true God we're all at mercy to. Back in the day of native central-american hyper-capitalism/imperialism/monarchism such as the Mayans, Aztec's, etc. where the population was literally everyone being enslaved to worship and human sacrifices, salt mines and pyramid building. While we don't exactly know how it happened (probably plague, it's always plague) but what is evident is that they consciously rejected hierarchy, dispersed into thousands of different tribes across the Americas, practicing amazingly complicated distributions of land and trade amongst eachother, totally free from any central forms of leadership but a series of central comittee's, consciously rejecting individualism, consciously rejecting laws in favour of reason, consciously rejecting arbitrary authority, consciously choosing a discussion over coffee and tobacco before resorting to war, even consciously giving preferential treatment to slaves they captured. Instead of labouring over pyramids and mines, they built social housing literal fucking palaces that thanks to modern archaeology tech has unearthed these things by the hundreds of thousands. And even then, by the time all that was so ancient it was all buried and overgrown, when the Europeans first came over and saw the garden forests they've maintained for millenia, the remarkable intelligence displayed by people who couldn't write or didn't wear pants, that women had autonomy! It was quite enlightening to those Europeans, so much so that they wrote plays that questioned European authority through sock puppets and fictional natives used as vehicles to promote ideas such as liberty, freedom, and atheism, without being imprisoned or executed for heresy. It was so popular, so was tobacco and coffee, upon which these certain Natives would come and speak in these French salons, the very same ones that great European Enlightenment thinkers frequented. While European culture has yet to assimilate to (Native) American culture, it has been reeling since, and the European ideaology of Kings has been shaken ever since.

Keep pushing, act as if you're already free.

I haven’t met a single centrist that supported (voted for) Hillary or Kamala let alone attended a protest or demonstration.

Good luck, it's not easy, study their common arguments and give it only so much benefit of the doubt in so far as there's a rational human being that has come to those conclusions. The ones who care enough to be swept up by populism are ironically some of the good ones, they're some of the biggest victims of fascists as well. The truely evil ones, the ones that keep fascism strong, are the ones who won't even engage in the discussion, who don't really care, who are "too busy taking care of myself to pay attention to politics," who donate xx.x% of their salary to charities but can't take 20 minutes to read Albert Einstein's "Why Socialism?"** or even less time reading the communist manifesto.**

** This is less an advertisement for socialism/communism so much as how lazy one must be not to be able to digest those small pieces of leftist perspective by people who claim to be "balanced" or "centrist" while being anti-communist and pro-capitalism.

All in all don't bother trying to have a discussion with centrists, they're the most hopeless and selfish people with no code, no morals, no higher belief, just "I'm a mechanistic robot chemical bag trying to survive, the world is a zero-sum game, I get mine and if you don't it's your fault."

Doubt I’ll ever get the opportunity, but I’ll take it if it presents itself.

If you do, don't push. Instead, pull. Ask them questions, ask them "What do you want at the end of the day?" "To get the illegals out!" "Yeah but why? What is that a step towards?" Fact checking doesn't work, lecturing doesn't work, understand that they know no better than you know better than them. At least then there's a fighting chance of having a conversation, seeing eachother as on the same side, and agreeing on who the real enemies are.