imaqtpie @ imaqtpie @sh.itjust.works

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I’m not. Apologies if I was unclear, but I was specifically referencing the fact that you were saying AI was going to accelerate to the point that it replaces human labor, and I was simply stating that I would prefer a world in which human labor is not required for humans to survive, and we can simply pursue other passions, if such a world where to exist, as a result of what you claim is happening with AI. You claimed AI will get so good it replaces all the jobs.

I'm sorry, but you seem to have misinterpreted what I was saying. I never claimed that AI would get so good it replaces all jobs. I stated that the potential consequences were extremely concerning, without necessarily specifying what those consequences would be. One consequence is the automation of various forms of labor, but there are many other social and psychological consequences that are arguably more worrying.

Cool, I would enjoy that, because I don’t believe that jobs are what gives human lives meaning, and thus am fine if people are free to do other things with their lives.

Your conception of labor is limited. You're only taking into account jobs as they exist within a capitalist framework. What if AI was statistically proven to be better at raising children than human parents? What if AI was a better romantic partner than a human one? Can you see how this could be catastrophic for the fabric of human society and happiness? I agree that jobs don't give human lives meaning, but I would contend that a crucial part of human happiness is feeling that one is a valued, contributing member of a community or family unit.

The automation of labor is not even remotely comparable to the creation of a technology who’s explicit, sole purpose is to cause the largest amount of destruction possible.

If you actually understood my point, you wouldn't be saying this. The intended purpose of the creation of a technology often turns out to be completely different from the actual consequences. We intended to create fire to keep warm and cook food, but it eventually came to be used to create weapons and explosives. We intended to use the printing press to spread knowledge and understanding, but it ultimately came to spread hatred and fear. This dichotomy is applicable to almost every technological development. Human creators are never wise enough to foresee the negative externalities that will ultimately result from their creations.

Again, you're the one who has been positing some type of AI singularity and simultaneously arguing it would be a good thing. I never said anything of the sort, you simply attached a meaning to my comment that wasn't there.

And again, nuclear weapons have been used twice in wartime. Guns, swords, spears, automobiles, man made famines, aeroplanes, literally hundreds of other technologies have killed more human beings than nuclear weapons have. Nuclear fission has also provided one of the cleanest sources of energy we possess, and probably saved untold amounts of environmental damage and additional warfare over control of fossil fuels.

Just because nuclear weapons make a big boom doesn't make them more destructive than other technologies.

I'm glad that you didn't use AI. I was wrong to assume you were feigning disagreement, but sometimes it just baffles me how things that I consider so obvious can be so difficult to grasp for other people. My apologies for my tone, but I still think you're very naive in your dismissal of my arguments, and quite frankly you come off as somewhat arrogant and close minded by the way you attempt to systematically refute everything that I say, instead of engaging with my ideas in a more constructive way.

As far as I can tell, all three of your initial retorts about the relative danger of nuclear weapons are basically incoherent word salads. Even if I were to concede your arguments regarding the relative dangers of AI (which I am absolutely not going to do, although you did make some good points), you would still be wrong about your initial statement because you clearly overestimated the relative danger of nuclear weapons. I essentially dismantled your position from both sides, and yet you refuse to concede even a single inch of ground, even on the more obvious issue of nuclear weapons only being responsible for a relatively paltry number of deaths.

Yes, I was admittedly tired when I responded to this thread, and then seeing such long winded responses was quite annoying to me.

But I wasn't trying to goad them, I was just exhausted at having to spend so much time and energy just to make my point, which seemed relatively non-controversial to me when I originally posted it.

My feathers are totally unruffled. I just meant to give you advice to solve that problem. I'm sorry if my tone came off differently, but I was just trying to make a suggestion in case you didn't know about Dark Reader

I'm using dark reader for Firefox so it wasn't an issue

marginally

Maybe try looking up this word in a dictionary, it seems like you don't understand what it means.

What contemporary paragon of journalistic integrity do you subscribe to, if I may ask? Which organization is more respectable than WP?

Hmm, you seem like a relatively intelligent person, so perhaps you're not accustomed to being corrected.

Your arguments contradict themselves and lack logical consistency. They are flimsy at best, and I lack the energy to explicitly demonstrate their triviality at the current moment. It seems that you start with the assumption that humanity is destined for a post scarcity utopia, and haphazardly arrange your arguments to help justify that conclusion.

Or perhaps it's because you refuse to admit to yourself that your original comment was ill-considered, and thus you are forced to spout this nonsense in order to protect yourself from the emotional ramifications of admitting you may have misjudged the relative harm of nuclear weapons as compared to AI.

Regardless, it's frustrating to watch you spin this web of sophistry instead of simply acknowledging that you were mistaken. I sincerely hope that you did not utilize AI to assist in writing that wall of text.

I would recommend that you reflect on my words when you've given yourself some time to calm down. It's not so bad to be wrong sometimes, just think of it as an opportunity to learn and become smarter.

Nukes only “prevent” deaths by saying they’ll cause drastically large numbers of deaths otherwise. If the nukes didn’t exist, there wouldn’t then be the threat of death from the nukes, which is being prevented by more people having the nukes.

Okay? But war existed long before nuclear weapons, and it also causes a large number of deaths. If nukes didn't exist, there would potentially be more wars, and thus more death.

Heck, if “AI” automated most of the work people did and put us out of a job, that would just accelerate our progress towards pushing for UBI/or an era of superabundance, which I’d welcome with open arms.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. We have already automated essentially everything else, and yet people work more than ever. If goods can be produced automatically by machines for free, what's to stop the owners of the machines from simply eliminating what used to be the working class?

But sure, seeing matrix multiplication causing statistically probable sentences to be formed really has me unable to stomach the potential consequences. /s

Your defensiveness speaks volumes.

And what did the printing press, automobile, and analog computer bring?

An ever more powerful nucleus of mechanization that has resulted in the most devastating wars and the most widespread suffering in all of human history. Genocides, chattel slavery, famine, biochemical and nuclear weapons; mass extinction and the imminent destruction of the very planet on which we live.

Make human work obsolete so we can do what we care about and hang out with people we like instead of spending our days doing labor to produce goods we rely on? Sign me up.

Sweet summer child. Making human work obsolete makes human beings obsolete. I envy your naivety.

But nuclear weapons have only been used twice in 80 years for military purposes. They have arguably prevented more deaths than they have caused.

And you're drastically underselling the potential impact of AI. If anything, your reaction is a defense mechanism because you can't bear to stomach the potential consequences of AI.

One could have easily reacted the same way to the invention of the printing press, or the automobile, or the analog computer. They all wasted a lot of energy for limited benefit, at first. But if the technology develops enough, it can destroy everything that we hold dear.

Human beings engineering their own obsolescence while cavalierly disregarding the potential consequences. A tale as old as time

Yes, I gathered that from the previous comment, but thank you for the additional info.

I just hope it doesn't progress further in the future. AI is quite possibly a more catastrophic technological development than nuclear weapons.

Indeed.

Although the private voting feature isn't all that effective. First of all it doesn't work with trusted instances (which includes many of the big ones), and secondly it only obscures the voter identity, it doesn't completely randomize it.

See these posts for context.

https://piefed.social/post/408115#post_replies

https://piefed.social/post/205362#comment_2496068

I don't necessarily think these limitations are a bad thing, because totally private voting could theoretically be a vector for bad actors to manipulate the visibility of content on the fediverse. This solution provides some protection for the average user but also makes it possible for admins to identify vote manipulation if it becomes a problem.

It's another type of content aggregator like Lemmy and Mbin. Totally unique software, not just an app.

https://piefed.social/

It's not as well known because it only started development a little over a year ago, well after the APIcalypse when most of the Lemmy userbase came over from reddit. But it's been improving rapidly and already has a lot of innovative features that Lemmy lacks. I believe that one of those features is better compatibility with Mastodon, but I'm not entirely sure. It's also written in Python which makes it easy for a variety of developers to contribute if they so wish.

Please let them not ruin Firefox with some bullshit AI. I can't take much more of this, Firefox is one of the last things I have left.

The fediverse really do be like that sometimes.

But seriously, this is very cool and I love to see people being creative and sharing things like this. I saw your earlier post about this and it seemed like a great idea.

Also Piefed is awesome and it's great to see more people discovering and talking about it.

Lemmy.blahaj.zone might be blocking that community. Possibly for this very reason.

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/c/comicstrips@lemmy.world

Doesn't exist.

Billions of dollars can buy a lot of fucking freedom and liberty.

Not really. You can free yourself from many societal restrictions, but you can never be free from who you are and what you've done with your life. Nor can you be free from the social climate in which you exist.

Money can buy a lot of freedom, but it's like an asymptote. The closer you get to complete freedom, the more you realize that it's impossible to obtain, especially in modern society.

What a pompous cunt.

Washington Post was one of the few marginally respectable journalist organizations remaining. It's a sad day for the freedom of the press.

I mean, you could mention the fediverse to people you know IRL and get them to join.

But I've only done that a handful of times, quite ineffectively, so I can't presume to judge you.

I'm not so sure they want to "persuade the leftists", I think they probably just want to find other conservatives to validate their feelings. But there isn't any space for that on Lemmy atm.

They'll probably need to make their own servers, which will immediately get defederated en masse. But I think Lemmy should be for every human being who seeks knowledge, even conservatives. That doesn't mean we need to federate with them, but that's the nature of open source software. You can't pick and choose who uses it.

I just try to avoid it entirely. Every post gets heavily downvoted anyway because conservatives are totally outnumbered on Lemmy. So it's mostly people mocking them.

I feel like it's so confusing if you just see the comments without the posts. But also the comments are the best part of Lemmy so it kinda makes sense.

I'm already addicted to Lemmy so that's not an issue