The difficulty corresponds to the size and activity of the community. With all due respect, that's an extremely small community, and they've still only gotten to around 20% of their original subscriber base. For more active communities, rebuilding the subscribers will be even more difficult. Luckily for us, most communities on Lemmy are relatively small, so transplantation can definitely be done for many of them.
However, when it comes to major communities, rebuilding the subscribers still isn't enough, because you lose all of the post and comment history no matter what you do. Major communities (c/memes, c/greentext, c/news, even something like c/eurographicnovels) cannot be quickly rebuilt in such a manner, you inevitably have to start from scratch. They represent the combined effort and activity of many people over many months, in making quality posts, making quality comments, and upvoting and downvoting the content judiciously so that the cream rises to the top. You could recreate them and try to copy all the posts to the new community with a bot in a single day, but that would be a pale imitation of the actual community as it existed over a period of time, because everything would have 0 upvotes and 0 engagement.
Thanks for the reminder to resubscribe to the new c/sideoftheroad though.
What do you mean by easy export? I haven't been keeping up with recent Lemmy updates because SJW is still running 0.19.5.
But if that's some way to transfer your account to another server, that helps a little bit, but the more difficult thing is to migrate the communities to a new server. AFAIK you would have to start the communities from scratch with 0 posts and 0 subscribers, and that takes a long time to build back up.
But if the fediverse isn't actually distributed, then you don't actually have the option, right? If 80% of activity is on one server, then that server effectively controls the fediverse, and if you have a problem with their admins or moderators, you don't have a viable alternative.
If it's not actually distributed, the fact that it theoretically could be doesn't really matter. And this isn't even mentioning the possibility of a centralized server having technical or legal issues.
The divorce analogy is not a good one because that's an individual decision, whereas migrating servers and communities is not something that one individual person can just suddenly choose to do. It requires time, effort, and collective action, so it's better to be pre-emptively distributed to eliminate that vulnerability in the first place.
Any user can easily see that comments have been removed, it says removed by mod, and you can also see that they weren't downvoted heavily before removal. There's no shadowbanning or anything like that on Lemmy, it's right there for everyone to see.
Hexbear had been around for like 3 years before lemmy.world was even created, that's why they have such high activity numbers. Most of that activity is reactionary memes and rants about the media topic of the week, and hence largely meaningless and irrelevant content several years later.
My server is defederated from hexbear as well, because they tend to disrupt discussions with their aggressive, cultlike behavior. I wanted to like them, but they quickly wore out my optimistic goodwill with their puerile immaturity and unearned self-righteousness.
Sure, but in the context of this discussion I'm responding to someone claiming that Lemmy has more censorship than Reddit. That perception is completely false and detrimental to the growth of Lemmy, which is why I'm trying to clarify the truth of the matter.
I mean... I'm not so sure about that logic. Technically you aren't wrong, but I think your point is misleading. In order for censorship to be problematic, it needs to be enforced by an entity with a significant amount of authority or control.
A communist newsletter technically engages in "censorship" against conservative viewpoints, but that's hardly problematic, is it? Parents preventing young children from being exposed to objectionable content is technically "censorship".
If you voluntarily choose to use a specific server when you have many other options at your fingertips, I just don't see how the colloquial usage of censorship applies to that situation. Seems like more of a semantic quibble than an actual flaw of Lemmy as a platform.
Bottom line is that anyone can spin up a Lemmy server for free and post anything they want, and others can freely join or federate with that server and access that information without any barriers. That's why I would argue the platform does not have any inherent censorship.
Lemmy.world is one specific server among hundreds that has a little bit of censorship.
It just happens to be the biggest as this moment in time, but that could easily change if they were actually censoring things to any significant extent. It never would have become the biggest in the first place if it were as censorship prone as you seem to believe.
Encounter censorship on Lemmy > move to a different server
Encounter censorship on reddit > nothing you can do
Community fragmentation is a feature, not a bug. Your actual complaint isn't about censorship, but about the small size of the Lemmy userbase. If the userbase was bigger, there would be more active server options, and the moderation of each individual server (such as lemmy.world) wouldn't matter as much. Ironically, by ignorantly claiming that Lemmy has a problem with censorship, you're actively working against attempts to grow the userbase.
Not to mention, if your biggest complaint of censorship is that lemmy.world bans discussion of vegan cat food, let me play the world's smallest violin for you
Instead of having one giant jerk censoring things like on Reddit, there are instead dozens of little petty ones wanting to defederate from other instances.
This false equivalency pains me to my core. I don't really have anything to say about the rest of your comment, but ffs can people stop with this nonsense take? You're implying that the difference between centralized corporate authoritarianism and decentralized grassroots democracy is negligible.
Lemmy is free and collaborative, reddit is censored and exploitative. The fact that people consistently try to equate two opposite paradigms is just mind-boggling to me.
Interesting, thanks for the detailed reply. I haven't remembered my dreams in many years. Definitely think it's time to take an extended break, and then if I start to experience a loss of creativity maybe I will dip my toes back in eventually.
Also I mainly smoke joints/spliffs so it's really bad for my lungs, if I do start again I'll probably switch to vaping because it's more healthy.
The very first thing you said was about the Sackler case and how the ruling wasn't fair. The first thing I responded was that the Supreme Court already overturned that ruling. And after like 5 more comments I still have no idea if you are even aware that the ruling was overturned. You never once acknowledged reading that or clicking the hyperlink
You tried to keep the discussion measured???? You never responded to a single one of my points!
In my very first comment, I made a number of points. You ignored them. I copied them into another comment and you ignored them again. I rephrased them and you ignored them again. You're not engaging in good faith, you're just ignoring everything that comes out of my mouth because you have no idea how to respond.
You need to admit that you aren't a very intelligent person. You literally couldn't even figure out that 4.5 times 9 equals 40.5. That's basic fucking arithmetic dude, it's like I'm trying to explain this shit to an 8 year old.
You need to admit that the Sackler case provides zero evidence of judicial corruption.
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The difficulty corresponds to the size and activity of the community. With all due respect, that's an extremely small community, and they've still only gotten to around 20% of their original subscriber base. For more active communities, rebuilding the subscribers will be even more difficult. Luckily for us, most communities on Lemmy are relatively small, so transplantation can definitely be done for many of them.
However, when it comes to major communities, rebuilding the subscribers still isn't enough, because you lose all of the post and comment history no matter what you do. Major communities (c/memes, c/greentext, c/news, even something like c/eurographicnovels) cannot be quickly rebuilt in such a manner, you inevitably have to start from scratch. They represent the combined effort and activity of many people over many months, in making quality posts, making quality comments, and upvoting and downvoting the content judiciously so that the cream rises to the top. You could recreate them and try to copy all the posts to the new community with a bot in a single day, but that would be a pale imitation of the actual community as it existed over a period of time, because everything would have 0 upvotes and 0 engagement.
Thanks for the reminder to resubscribe to the new c/sideoftheroad though.