I'm Calling For the Fediverse to Ban UniversalMonk
imaqtpie @ imaqtpie @sh.itjust.works Posts 19Comments 1,264Joined 2 yr. ago
imaqtpie @ imaqtpie @sh.itjust.works
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Well first of all, thank you for doing that. I can see he was banned for harassing users in PMs, but without knowing the content of the PMs, that doesn't mean too much to me.
I'm looking for stuff like hate speech and serious toxicity, not just running afoul of various moderation rules. The spamming of comments is mildly annoying, but again nothing major in my eyes. Posting in the wrong communities, getting banned from lemmy.ml communities, this is pedestrian stuff when it comes to being a moderator.
I've seen people post absolutely horrific, disgusting things on here. They would get banned immediately, and then continue to create new accounts and post the same horrific shit. That's what banning on sight/IP banning is for, not for this middling stuff.
Most importantly, he seems to have learned from this and is no longer doing those things on his SJW account. Have you considered the possibility that his behavior escalated in such a way because he was repeatedly being moderated for minor reasons, and thus began to act out in increasingly disruptive ways? Perhaps he has been less problematic on his SJW account because we let him do his own thing so long as it's not bothering our users and generating tons of reports, which it isn't.
You're absolutely off your rocker, my friend. If you don't know the specifics, then stop acting like you do. I'm not going to go hunting through the lemmy.world modlog, you're the one who's making outlandish claims of harassment and spamming. You're just repeating the same things over and over in increasingly verbose fashion without providing any new information.
Find the evidence, screenshot it, and insert the screenshot into your reply. It's not rocket science. Or better yet, block the guy and move on with your life. Jfc you people are like actual IRL energy vampires.
If the trouble was so bad that you believe they deserve to be banned on sight, post the damn evidence.
As far as I know, half the accounts commenting on this post could be and probably are OP's alts. What the fuck do you think this is, mob justice? You're not standing firmly with anyone, you're actively harassing this guy because of some personal grudge from months ago. Let it go.
Or alternatively, show me what he did that was so unforgivable.
Yeah man I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, I literally haven't seen a single thing this dude has posted in months and all these people chiming in like he's flooding their feeds. Like why the fuck are they subscribed to his communities in the first place???
After spamming many others and getting banned, and then sending harassing DMs once he was no longer able to post most places he hadn’t created.
People keep seeing this but I haven't actually seen any evidence. Kindly provide the screenshots. Having accounts on different servers is a complete non-issue, most people have multiple accounts on Lemmy.
If only someone would take some time and kindly put together an effective analogy for why the issue is not his beliefs.
What do you mean? Just come right out and say what you believe the issue is, I honestly don't know what you're alluding to.
If anybody had to hunt to find him, he wouldn’t be an issue. There are plenty of accounts quietly posting their own brand of weirdness to their own weird communities, and it is always fine.
I'm literally the admin of his server and I haven't seen his name in over a month. I haven't seen him get reported and I haven't seen any of his posts because I'm not subscribed to his communities. He is exactly what you just described, an account posting his own brand of weirdness to his own communities.
OP actually specifically brought up that the impetus for this post was seeing a whole new fresh batch of UM spam in some definitely not private community.
Where? 90% of the posts in the screenshots were made to communities he created, that have almost no subscribers and very few upvotes and downvotes. Please link the fresh batch of spam, because I honestly don't know what you're talking about. I just scrolled through his 40 most recent posts, and 38 of them were on his own communities, one was on c/conservative and the other was on c/twosentencehorror, with 11 upvotes.
I dunno what they've done on other accounts, I don't have any control over that. They haven't done anything banworthy on SJW that I can see. I haven't even received any reports that I can recall.
Only to come out of the other end as a conservative propagandist.
What is your evidence for this? Everything I see on their profile states that they voted third party in the election. Criticizing the democratic candidates does not imply they are a conservative propagandist. Ffs we have thousands of tankies on Lemmy who did the same shit. Are they right-wingers as well?
I didn't analyze his posting habits all that closely because I'm not obsessed with stalking and persecuting everyone who thinks differently from me, but it's always been apparent to me that he's a real person with ahem an unconventional belief system, to say the least. He seems to come from an era before the internet, when people didn't care as much what other people thought of them. Some people don't neatly fall into the buckets of left wing and right wing, as currently defined by the mainstream media. That's a good thing, imho.
As far as I can tell, he mostly just posts to communities that he created, and if OP wants to hunt around and subscribe to those communities and read the posts, that's their problem. He actually seems like a pretty nice guy imo, reminds me of my uncle who believes all sorts of wild conspiracy theories but is ultimately a stand-up guy in his daily life.
To address the alleged ban-worthy offenses directly @recursive_recursion@lemmy.ca:
post spamming
He can spam as many posts as he wants to the communities that he created, although 2-3 posts per day doesn’t even remotely qualify as spamming. If you choose to subscribe to them and refuse to block him, you have only yourself to blame.
[not] being considerate to others
Is it considerate to hunt through another users profile for reasons to permaban them from all of Lemmy? Is it considerate to LARP as a mod in service of a personal grudge? I think you could actually learn a few things about being considerate from Mr. Monk, he seems quite polite in most interactions.
not sharing right-wing extremist content
Fox News and Breitbart are not extremist content, they are mainstream news outlets regularly consumed by a frighteningly large proportion of the American population. It is what it is, I'm not happy about it either but you can't simply label everything you don't agree with as extremist content.
I will not be banning users simply because some of their beliefs could be described as right-wing. If those beliefs lead them to treat other users in a hateful or toxic manner, that's another story, but I see no evidence of that.
On the other hand, banning users for stirring drama and harassing other users is always an option. I don't like to ban anyone, but I would argue this kind of behavior is far more problematic than Monk's behavior.
Hmm, that's interesting. It's definitely from your app, I'm not confusing the settings. When I click the "Speak as mod" button, the shield appears. I assume that Voyager just automatically displays all admins in red.
Unfortunately, I don't think there is any way for me to hide my admin status, at least in the current Lemmy version. And honestly, there probably shouldn't be. It might also be because you have a local SJW account, while users from other servers would only see their local admins in red. Idk.
I appreciate the advice and you've got a good point, but it's never really been a problem for me before. One of the best things about Lemmy is that the admins aren't so high and mighty that they don't interact with normal users.
I was just a normal user when I first joined, and then I got elected as a moderator of TheAgora, and then TheDude eventually appointed me as an admin to help manage the server. Then eventually I appointed kerploosh and InEnduringGrowStrong later on, who were also just normal SJW users up until then. I'm very proud of the fact that our admins are just normal users who enjoy Lemmy and are trying to help the server flourish in any way we can. There may come a point where we grow to a size where that approach is no longer tenable, but at the current growth rate, I don't see it happening any time soon.
Oh, look who's back! I thought you had left for good, that might have been part of why I've been so depressive lately 😅
That's actually reassuring to hear, coming from you.
Yea I'm sure there are a lot of Americans hating on ourselves, the type of Americans who use Lemmy tend to be pretty pissed off at the direction of the country. But it still contributes to a really exhausting, depressing atomosphere at times. Not to mention unbalanced/biased
With that said… can’t you make comments without revealing yourself as an admin? I feel like that’s just going to trigger some people, lol
I dunno, there's an option to "speak as moderator" but I literally never turn it on. But I figured if people click on my profile they can probably see.
It adds that little shield thing but as I said, I never use it.
I think jealousy was the wrong word to use, but saltiness feels more appropriate. It's precisely because of the fact that America is only in its current position due to a series of recent historical events that makes it more frustrating for non-Americans. They seem to feel that we are undeserving of our wealth and power, and that they would do a better job if they were running this country.
I get the trust fund analogy, but what about the trust fund kid who donates a lot of money to charity and gets a medical degree and serves underprivileged communities in developing countries? It seems to me that many lemmings would still shit on that person just because of their birth, regardless of the fact that they're trying to do the right thing.
That's what I find frustrating, because it's so counterproductive. If you still get shit on just for being American even when you're actively trying to escape the corporate machine that controls every aspect of our lives and to connect with alternative viewpoints via Lemmy, you start to wonder why you should even bother.
That's good to hear, I'm sorry to bring this negativity into our community but I just needed to get it off my chest somehow.
Holy moly, that's a whole Juan Soto down the drain.
Thank you, that's a balanced take and I appreciate the advice.
You're right, I know that I might appear to be hitting out at a lot of people who don't deserve it with my comments. I should probably never use the term Europeans again, because it's far too generalized and it makes it seem like an us vs. them situation, which is not my intention. But that was the most accurate term I could come up with.
I know that it's not Americans who are claiming that we didn't do shit in WWII and so on. I know it's not Americans who are clutching their pearls when I declare that America has an overwhelming influence over global geopolitics. It's people who are reading ulterior motives into my words that are actually coming from their own subconscious insecurities and biases.
Anyways, that was a fair and reasonable response on your part, and I commend you for it.
That's fair, but somehow I never seem to see hatred directed towards any other nationality on Lemmy, aside from Americans. It seems like such behavior would inevitably be downvoted, as it should be.
But when it comes to Americans, it's open season for people to take pot shots, and it always gets upvoted regardless of its accuracy.
I was being condescending at times, because people were throwing around insane accusations of me being a russian plant and refusing to acknowledge any validity to the complaints being voiced. Why shouldn't I condescend those who spread senseless vitriol for no apparent reason? They deserve to be criticized and mocked, because that's exactly what they're doing to other people. The dude I was talking to literally bullied one of my users into deleting their account, then tried to put me on blast for no reason. I have more than enough justification to treat people such as those with disdain.
You all seem to implicitly think I'm somehow proud or bragging about America being the largest economic and military force in the world. That's not even remotely the case, I think it's entirely fucked. But that's the world we live in. I'm just trying to explain what I've experienced and observed here, and understand what is causing that behavior.
I wasn't arguing, I was agreeing with the OP and suggesting that rather than Russian/Chinese agents, there was a more likely source of the hatred.
I don't think all Europeans are anything, they are a very diverse group. I'm just trying to understand why people act the way they do on Lemmy, based on what I've observed over the past year or so. When you see aggresively angry takes being highly upvoted in random threads for seemingly no reason, you search for a psychological rationale, and that was my conclusion. As I said, I would be salty about America too, if I wasn't born here. We're fucking up big time, and the rest of the world is along for the ride. But berating people on Lemmy isn't likely to change anything for the better.
I know that I could have come off more diplomatically, but it's a bit rich to accuse me of trolling for reacting strongly to a slew of personal insults and attacks that never seems to end. You're lucky that I even bother to respond, unlike the thousands of Americans who silently perceived that they weren't welcome on this site and slunk back to reddit.
I'm trying to help you understand how you're making people feel, regardless of whether your behavior is caused by jealousy or some other emotion. The constant picking apart of my words without addressing the meat of my argument is exhausting, and everyone has a breaking point where they just don't wanna deal with it anymore.
I'm not judging people based on where they are born, I'm judging them based on how they treat others. Treat people how you want to be treated, most people learn that concept in grade school.
Good. I already told you I liked the cut of his jib. Plus he's got a rockin' bod 😂